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Re: Show HN: Use wealthbot.io to easily setup your own portfolio management platform

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I don't understand this kind of cynicism. As a financially literate individual, I think this is pretty cool and will probably give it a go at some point. What's more comforting than a locally hosted app in a vm you can tailor however you want? I certainly prefer that over handing all my financial data to some 'cloud' service.

I really don't like being critical but I think this is just kind of silly (at least for US citizens). For example, first survey question: are you "Interested in experiencing dramatic short term losses for better returns?". "Interested"? Really? "Dramatic"? Is that just unfortunate word choice or is this thing just not legit? First of all, Betterment and Wealthfront are good companies. If "startups" concern you, check…

you are reading slightly too much into it.

1. please realize that this is an open source project, so every single line of text or code can be changed to your liking. (not to mention that these are simply sample questions, and any end-user can edit them to be as complex or simple as they like). I can just as well ask your feeling about sky-diving and judge your risk tolerance based on that.

2. You have to understand the target audience. Today RIA's can pay lots of money to schwabs, fidelities, etc. Which have significant vendor lock-in and high up-front and maintenance costs, with open source RIA's have a choice they can build out a solution custom tailored to their needs using our platform. They are not locked into any specific security or cost basis. They can compete with robo-advisors without spending millions or hundreds of thousands on technology. (btw, wanna build anther robo advisor, run many firms as SaaS or build an app like Acorns? .. you can do that too).

3. Finally you can try a portfolio consisting of S&P 500 only, another Vanguard LifeStrategy only, and something more complex... just for shits and giggles see whether you can do better or not. (Wanna test a portfolio that is rebalanced vs non-rebalanced? You can do that.)

our platform is open-source alternative to costly closed-sourced solutions (this is not a new market, we are just giving users another choice)... like there are 100's of shopping carts out there, it's time for fintech to embrace some projects which cater to the masses, not only select few.

Re: Show HN: Use wealthbot.io to easily setup your own portfolio management platform

#32

Why is VirtualBox a prereq? This appears to be a locally-run web app, unless I'm missing something.

definitely you can use your local OS to run it. if you have a full LAMMP stack ready, just setup a new vhost (or whatever your typical process is.. .and off you go).

(as a matter of fact, that's how it would be deployed in production).

however vagrant is perfect for local, since you need mongo and mysql and various php extensions, etc. etc. all of that comes pre-packaged w/ vagrant... so if you don't feel like littering your local with a bunch of libs that you or many not use in the future, use vagrant.

up to you completely.

Re: Show HN: Use wealthbot.io to easily setup your own portfolio management platform

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Sorry, but I don't see anyone using this ever. Managing money is mostly about making constituents feel comfortable and this does not. This doesn't strike me as the type of subject matter to do as a side-project or hobby.

lots of people are using robo-advisors and RIA services... so i think that part is already proven.

now as far as webo specifically, if the community gets behind it.. this platform can be as secure, robust and feature-full as any fintech platform out there. btw, we are already pretty sophisticated. we spent quite a bit of time building a full fledged solution that has a plethora of popular features (from tax loss harvesting, to muni substitution, to various rebalancing methods and portfolio accounting)... so a lot is done, but a lot of help is also needed from community.

(magento anyone?)

not to mention our goal is to enable not only RIA's but also developers, by allowing them to create plugins (and possibly profit form it)...(again examples are magento/wordpress)

Need a connector to your favorite custodian? there's an app for that. Need a more clever rebalancer? there's an app for that. Need a new theme or improved workflow? How bout additional ACH features?

our product is highly modularized so having developers hook into the system to expand on the core features is something that's more important to me personally than seeing if s&p 500 will outperform my personal EFT portfolio (which it hasn't ;)

Re: Show HN: Use wealthbot.io to easily setup your own portfolio management platform

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post #10

Sorry, but I don't see anyone using this ever. Managing money is mostly about making constituents feel comfortable and this does not. This doesn't strike me as the type of subject matter to do as a side-project or hobby.

I don't understand this kind of cynicism. As a financially literate individual, I think this is pretty cool and will probably give it a go at some point. What's more comforting than a locally hosted app in a vm you can tailor however you want? I certainly prefer that over handing all my financial data to some 'cloud' service.

did you hit that nail right on the head or what? (you've summarized the general vision of wealthbot.io in one very eloquent sentence).

drop us a note at hi [at] wealthbot.io

Re: Show HN: Use wealthbot.io to easily setup your own portfolio management platform

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Having spent 6 years as a fully licensed Financial/Investment advisor as firms both large and small (independent), I can say that while I think this is a cool project, marketing it towards investment advisors likely isn't going to get much traction. This is because 99% of advisors (in the US) already have access to tools like this, except much more in depth and integrated with their trading systems. It's in every broker-dealer's (the companies whose investment products the advisors are selling) best interest to provide as much sales support and tooling as possible to their registered reps, so many of them provide things like this free of charge.

Aside from that, unless this has been vetted and audited by FINRA or a registered CRCP, the chances that any compliance officer (which every RIA is required to have), are virtually non-existent. I haven't dug into the platform to see what type of guidance you're offering/presenting, but you need to be really careful about what advice you give or state that you give. As in the US, anything even remotely related to any investment vehicle is highly regulated and providing guidance and advice without the required registrations, licenses and oversight can and will land you in very hot water, very fast.

All that said, I think with the right approach, something like this could be great for personal use as long as it integrated with multiple investment companies and could track and recommend based on all of them.

Re: Show HN: Use wealthbot.io to easily setup your own portfolio management platform

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Really like this. Even the cheapest robo-advisors like Betterment charge 0.1-0.3% on top of the fund fees, which sounds small but eats into gains over time.

However, I think the target audience is probably more likely individuals rather than financial advisors, unless you're going to be running it as a SaaS. I can't see the overlap of small advisory firms and those familiar with Vagrant.

Will give it a poke with a few hundred dollars in Vanguard ETFs.

Re: Show HN: Use wealthbot.io to easily setup your own portfolio management platform

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post #30

Cool! Even if a demo is great, with the complexity to setup I would prefer screenshots as well to show some standard use-cases. On the technical side: You should really upgrade Symfony to version 2.7 (new LTS), the 2.1 you use is not supported aynmore. In the demo (production environment) you should hide the webtoolbar for security reasons.

upgrading symfony is one of the key things we are working on right now. don't think of the demo as production, it's just a test server with some dummy data, where you can play around with features of webo. as open source projects we welcome all the help and as many pull requests as possible :)

Would you like to publish the demo data to the repo as well, so we can test this app locally with some relevant data loaded? Thanks!

Re: Show HN: Use wealthbot.io to easily setup your own portfolio management platform

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post #35

Having spent 6 years as a fully licensed Financial/Investment advisor as firms both large and small (independent), I can say that while I think this is a cool project, marketing it towards investment advisors likely isn't going to get much traction. This is because 99% of advisors (in the US) already have access to tools like this, except much more in depth and integrated with their trading systems. It's in every bro…

Are you saying all software used by RIAs has do be vetted and audited by FINRA or a CRCP? I don't believe this to be true.

We don't offer advice, only code.

Could you point me to a few custodians or broker/dealers that provide portfolio management & rebalancing software for free? We haven't found any, but def don't have the same experience as you, so maybe we're just missing something.

Re: Show HN: Use wealthbot.io to easily setup your own portfolio management platform

#39

Really like this. Even the cheapest robo-advisors like Betterment charge 0.1-0.3% on top of the fund fees, which sounds small but eats into gains over time. However, I think the target audience is probably more likely individuals rather than financial advisors, unless you're going to be running it as a SaaS. I can't see the overlap of small advisory firms and those familiar with Vagrant. Will give it a poke with a fe…

So, betterment (for example) offers something called betterment institutional where the advisor has to pay that same .1-.3% of AUM to provide those services to her clients.

This ends up costing the advisor hundreds of thousands of dollars every year.

Or an advisor could pay someone like (future) you, who's familiar with Vagrant and knows the wealthbot platform inside-out, to implement wealthbot.io at her firm for a 1 time fee.

Seems like an easy choice :)

Re: Show HN: Use wealthbot.io to easily setup your own portfolio management platform

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post #35

Having spent 6 years as a fully licensed Financial/Investment advisor as firms both large and small (independent), I can say that while I think this is a cool project, marketing it towards investment advisors likely isn't going to get much traction. This is because 99% of advisors (in the US) already have access to tools like this, except much more in depth and integrated with their trading systems. It's in every bro…

you have some good points, that are definitely important.

as far as technology we do not offer any investment advice .. we offer a platform for wealth management. RIA's a primary target audience, but the core logic can be used in other implementations.

you are right that before going to production the system needs to be verified by a 3rd party in order to ensure that it measures up security-wise.. but this is no different than having a similar audit done for any ERP, (PCI compliance for ACH/ shopping carts, or any other software you can think that deals with financial data...)

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