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College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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I'm happy for people who are able to drop out of college and start successful businesses, but it's hardly the end-all, be-all of entrepreneurship. There are whole classes of problems that you will never even be aware of the existence of without going through college to get the qualifications to get enough experience in a particular industry to encounter them. It's great if you can skip college build a new way for peo…

"but you're unlikely to make, say, a space shuttle."

Why would I desire the ability to make a space shuttle if I don't want to make a space shuttle?

I mean there's casual interest and amusement, sure thats cool, daydream about making a space shuttle for five minutes, but accumulating mortgage size debts on a whim would be highly unwise. Especially if as a young kid you get a different whim every week or so.

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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post #22

It's become like the NBA draft -- if you've spent four years in college, how good can you really be?

Oh, please. Spending 4 years in college just means you are slightly less of an infant when you enter the workforce.

Recent college graduates and recent college dropouts are alike in a few things: they are still getting pimples, and they have tunnel vision because they're barely off training wheels and are on their very first trip around the block.

They can be tremendously smart, talented, and energetic, but at 21/22, whether they went to college or not, they are not very experienced in either adult life or professional life, and that lack of experience is a real handicap.

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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post #3

Can't seem to read this without paying. Seems interesting, but not sure why you would post it if people can't view it without an account.

The WSJ lost their ability to influence me, and any value they had to me, when they prevented me from reading their articles.

Paywalls are damage. If it's an important enough event or public opinion, I'll hear about it from some other medium - another news company, another HN article, Imgur, Facebook, Twitter, coworkers, etc. It's the Redundant Array of Independent Information Sources.

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

#34
post #14

Some observations... I just finished Fareed Zakaria's " In Defense of a Liberal Education "[1] and while he makes a passionate argument, the capital markets overwhelmingly disagrees with him. VC's (even those VC's not specializing in Silicon Valley tech) value makers, builders, engineers over experts in English/Art/History/Philosophy. If liberal arts education was on equal footing as STEM, there wouldn't be the jokes…

I spend zero time considering college or collegiate history. Instead I delve into "what have you done lately?', "what are you passionate about?", along with "what do former coworkers say about your time there?"

I find these last three questions several orders of magnitude more important than whether you made a B or C at Alabama Tech back in 2012. Nobody cares about that stuff. We can rent out deep-dive knowledge if we need it. What we can't find is hard-working people who can make machines solve problems for other people in a group format -- while being fun to work with.

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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During the dot.com bubble I interviewed a number of people who had dropped out of college to jump into work. In general they did not have any trouble finding work. However when the bubble burst and the job market crashed dramatically, those same people were unreasonably discriminated against as there were plenty of 'degreed' people to fill positions so the folks without at least a bachelors degree were having a hard time. I know of at least two people who went back to school to finish their degrees (one essentially having redo their entire bachelor's program because their previous credits would not transfer). My takeaway from that experience was that during boom times it doesn't matter, but during lean times it does.

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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post #20

I'm happy for people who are able to drop out of college and start successful businesses, but it's hardly the end-all, be-all of entrepreneurship. There are whole classes of problems that you will never even be aware of the existence of without going through college to get the qualifications to get enough experience in a particular industry to encounter them. It's great if you can skip college build a new way for peo…

There's no qualification more respected than a solid GitHub. If that qualification can't be expressed on GitHub, it's probably not a Tech qualification.

Respectfully, that doesn't apply to regulated industries.

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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During the dot.com bubble I interviewed a number of people who had dropped out of college to jump into work. In general they did not have any trouble finding work. However when the bubble burst and the job market crashed dramatically, those same people were unreasonably discriminated against as there were plenty of 'degreed' people to fill positions so the folks without at least a bachelors degree were having a hard…

It's always good to have, no matter what, and it would be extremely easy to just say you don't have it if it was a negative or worthless.

The problem is - opportunity cost.

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

#38
post #14

Some observations... I just finished Fareed Zakaria's " In Defense of a Liberal Education "[1] and while he makes a passionate argument, the capital markets overwhelmingly disagrees with him. VC's (even those VC's not specializing in Silicon Valley tech) value makers, builders, engineers over experts in English/Art/History/Philosophy. If liberal arts education was on equal footing as STEM, there wouldn't be the jokes…

  people in power vote with their wallets.
  [...] If you want to be a neurosurgeon, 
  you must finish medical school. But the 
  tech dollars funding programmers are 
  saying something else.
Measuring skill/ability doesn't only produce a measurement - it produces a measurement with certain error bars.

Imagine two candidates for a job:

Candidate 1: "skill somewhere between 4 and 10, probably 8, salary required 5"

Candidate 2: "skill somewhere between 8 and 10, probably 8, salary required 9"

If I'm hiring a programmer, I might take a risk on candidate 1 as they're great value for money, and in the worst case I can always fire them and revert their commits.

If I'm hiring a neurosurgeon I'd go for candidate 2 for sure, because you can't revert dead patients.

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Search "College Dropouts Thrive in Tech" on Google and click the first link. The paywall will be gone.

Doesn't work for me. All results are either parasitic sites' scrapes of the headline pointing to the original page, or that page itself. Nothing has the full text. The first Google hit from where I'm sitting leads to exactly the same URL as our submission: http://www.wsj.com/articles/college-dropouts-thrive-in-tech-... [EDIT: Problem solved. Searched using https://www.google.com/ncr (no country redirect). Looks like…

The WSJ paywall doesn't appear when you come from a Google search link. So it will be the same URL, but because of the referrer, you'll see the full text.

Re: College Dropouts Thrive in Tech

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post #14

Some observations... I just finished Fareed Zakaria's " In Defense of a Liberal Education "[1] and while he makes a passionate argument, the capital markets overwhelmingly disagrees with him. VC's (even those VC's not specializing in Silicon Valley tech) value makers, builders, engineers over experts in English/Art/History/Philosophy. If liberal arts education was on equal footing as STEM, there wouldn't be the jokes…

"If liberal arts education was on equal footing as STEM, there wouldn't be the jokes"

'Liberal arts education' has become a code word for drinking to excess five nights a week and cheap casual sex with classes you can just show up to occasionally and pass. Actual literal liberal arts education is available in very few places but might be just as valuable as STEM for those who really get it.

"MIT/Stanford's primary value (to investors) is to act as an unspoken IQ test"

That is in very little dispute. To investors and employers, elite university admission is an IQ test and graduation is a test of social class values -- it's a test of whether your family is stable and wealthy enough to support you financially, emotionally, and socially through four years and not interrupt you by needing you to support them financially, medically, or as free child care. Smart people from stable upper middle class families are valuable employees while the practical stuff you'd learn at MIT, especially in CS, is very easy to pick up on the job.

"Supreme Court justice, you have to go to Yale/Harvard Law -- and you must finish those degrees. If you want to be a neurosurgeon, you must finish medical school."

Note that those are non-market jobs. You can't pick your own Supreme Court; you have to deal with the one politics subjects everyone to. You can't pick your own neurosurgeon just because he's good; you have to take one of the ones the state licensing board, state courts, and insurance companies choose for you. And people with political power like to support the process of educational hoop jumping for various reasons -- some of them good.

Customers, entrepreneurs, and investors risking and spending their own money are more interested in results than pedigree. That's why the lightly regulated software industry sees so many dropouts succeed. Dropouts do well in construction trades, agriculture, and other less bureaucratic credential dependent industries, also.

Industries like Wall Street, where the primary source of income is scamming politicians, pension fund managers, regulators, and the public, depend even more heavily on pretty credentials than regulated industries like law and health care. Ivy league degrees are really valued on Wall Street because perception is so much more important than results.

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