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Re: Sourceforge Hijacks the Nmap Sourceforge Account

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This is a bit controversial because people like to remember Sourceforge fondly for some reason, but it was never good. It was merely unchallenged. Google Code was never good either, but people gladly moved from SF to Google Code. And when something actually good came along (Github), Sourceforge simply vanished. Sourceforge was never a hero. It was a horrible website, with horrible UX. It always had pretty terrible ad…

People remember Sourceforge fondly because the service they offered, for the time, was good. Everything internet sucked around 2000. Search engines where either semi-curated listing or covered a fraction of what was a much smaller internet. Free hosting was a joke, affordable paid hosting was not much better. Your bandwidth at home was not good and anyway your computer was not the powerhouse it is today - you needed…

>Everything internet sucked around 2000. Search engines where either semi-curated listing or covered a fraction of what was a much smaller internet.

I disagree, and in fact preferred the internet of 2000 to the internet of 2015.

Google search worked fine in 2000: although SEO existed in 2000, it was much less refined and extensive than in 2015. The main problem in search results today is that profit-motivated content crowds out and makes it difficult to find not-profit-motivated superior content.

Not all the changes are bad, of course. Video in particular (not just bandwidth, but the convenience for consumers and amateur producers provided by Youtube) is much better (but text is more important to me than video). A computer with adequate performance is a lot cheaper in real dollars.

>A lot of websites had terrible UX.

I preferred the UX of the web of 2000 to the UX of the web of today. Searching a web page for a string, copying from a web page, then pasting, scrolling, use of keyboard shortcuts, bookmarking (some sites today have all content sharing the same URL, making bookmarking virtually impossible) all were simpler and more consistent across web pages, therefore requiring less deliberative thought to use, and IMHO thereby better.

In other words, on the web of today, I have to direct my attention to the mechanics of the web page, e.g., how to dismiss the interstitial asking me to follow them on Facebook or whatever so that I can start to see the actual content, which keyboard shortcuts have been overridden by the site, how to scroll and whether scrolling even works. In the web of 2000, I spent more of my time and attention on the actual content (particularly, textual content).

For those who remember the web of 2000: what about the UX of the web of today do you prefer? I have a theory that some people are more easily bored than others and that those people appreciate the web of today because the increase in variety, color and motion (of elements on the page) helps keep them from getting bored. Is that it?

(I remember the Sourceforge of 2000, but have nothing to say about it.)

ADDED. I neglected to consider that Wikipedia did not exist in 2000, which significantly changes the balance. I still disagree with "Everything internet sucked around 2000". In particular, I miss web sites created by individuals not expecting to make money from their writings. Although many (most?) of those web sites still exist, they've become vastly harder to find with a search engine because of content farms and other professionally-produced professionally-SEOed content.

Re: Sourceforge Hijacks the Nmap Sourceforge Account

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This is the sort of behavior you get from a company that's lost, and is now trying to extract every penny they can from whatever shenanigans they can get away with. If they have no future brand value to be concerned about, then, from a game-theoretic approach, it's actually a pretty rational profit seeking move. (As long as they don't incur any downstream liabilities from outright illegal activity for which they migh…

Simply add their domain to the hosts file to prevent any accidental downloading.

This is a solution for me. It's not a solution for the hundreds of people I've told about GiMP over the years. Some of whom I no longer have contact with. Those people don't know how to edit their hosts file.

I'm not worried for myself I'm worried for them.

Re: Sourceforge Hijacks the Nmap Sourceforge Account

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This is not hijacking at all. They created a new account, the old one remains blank as the author says. Sure it's morally questionable and leads to having a very bad reputation. But it's not hijacking. GPL code can be forked, mirrored, bundled and distributed. As long as the terms of GPL are obeyed there's nothing technically wrong with what SF is doing.

Of course they've completely blown all trust and squandered their reputation.

Re: Sourceforge Hijacks the Nmap Sourceforge Account

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Just submitted the story to Slashdot [1]. Sharing the same owner as Sourceforge let's see if it gets "buried" [2] (or "late released due to an editor vacation" [3] as it was their explanation) or if they publish it in a timely manner and within the spirit of the submission. [1] http://slashdot.org/submission/4487045/sourceforge-hijacks-t... [2] http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/381q6r/slashdot_buryi... [3] http:…

The submission was accepted on Slashdot [1] but with several modifications that changes "Fyodor accuses Sourceforge of hijacking nmap account" to "Fyodor warns that he doesn't control Sourceforge nmap mirror", among other things.

I detailed the changes made and why they were biased in a comment on the same submission. [2]

[1] http://it.slashdot.org/story/15/06/03/126224/nmap-maintainer...

[2] http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=7500817&cid=49829957

Re: Sourceforge Hijacks the Nmap Sourceforge Account

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Just submitted the story to Slashdot [1]. Sharing the same owner as Sourceforge let's see if it gets "buried" [2] (or "late released due to an editor vacation" [3] as it was their explanation) or if they publish it in a timely manner and within the spirit of the submission. [1] http://slashdot.org/submission/4487045/sourceforge-hijacks-t... [2] http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/381q6r/slashdot_buryi... [3] http:…

Give a shot submitting it to http://soylentnews.org as well.

Re: Sourceforge Hijacks the Nmap Sourceforge Account

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People remember Sourceforge fondly because the service they offered, for the time, was good. Everything internet sucked around 2000. Search engines where either semi-curated listing or covered a fraction of what was a much smaller internet. Free hosting was a joke, affordable paid hosting was not much better. Your bandwidth at home was not good and anyway your computer was not the powerhouse it is today - you needed…

>Everything internet sucked around 2000. Search engines where either semi-curated listing or covered a fraction of what was a much smaller internet. I disagree, and in fact preferred the internet of 2000 to the internet of 2015. Google search worked fine in 2000: although SEO existed in 2000, it was much less refined and extensive than in 2015. The main problem in search results today is that profit-motivated content…

I prefer using wikipedia or stackexchange for information rather than searching for hours

Re: Sourceforge Hijacks the Nmap Sourceforge Account

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What I don't understand about any of this is why anyone wouldn't just either move their project to Github or self host. Why would you even still have your project hosted on SourceForge? I understand the author's grief and anger. I feel bad for them really as this will hurt the NMap brand, but come on, avoid the whole situation and just remove the project from SourceForge completely.

>What I don't understand about any of this is why anyone wouldn't just either move their project to Github or self host. Personally, I like their download stats: https://sourceforge.net/projects/apng/files/libpng/stats/tim... But generally, why would I move if I never had problems with the service?

Because perhaps--just fucking perhaps--you don't want malware injected into any of your projects when they're downloaded?

Re: Sourceforge Hijacks the Nmap Sourceforge Account

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Even Quora? :-) I think they removed the logged-in requirement. At least I have been able to see every answer even though I never registered.

You can see the answer if you go to the page via a google search result. If a friend sends you a link, they block the answer with that annoying login modal.

It's pretty easy to delete with the developer tools, though.

Re: Sourceforge Hijacks the Nmap Sourceforge Account

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SourceForge was sold in 2012 to a conglomerate company named "DHI GROUP INC" or "Dice Holdings Inc" that owns the following companies: Dice Open Web The IT Job Board ClearanceJobs eFinancialCareers Rigzone HEALTHeCAREERS BioSpace Hcareers SourceForge Slashdot WorkDigital

I remember thinking "I guess they want to get more of the tech community's mindshare to promote their job board" when Dice bought Slashdot. With the way they've alienated the tech community by trashing Slashdot and SourceForge, I wonder how many tech people will use their job board now.

One problem is that people looking for jobs are usually inexperienced with it, so there is constantly an unusually large supply of "fresh meat".

There should be more regulation on the jobs market. It's a data-mining goldmine and fake job postings aren't illegal as far as I'm aware of.

Re: Sourceforge Hijacks the Nmap Sourceforge Account

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People remember Sourceforge fondly because the service they offered, for the time, was good. Everything internet sucked around 2000. Search engines where either semi-curated listing or covered a fraction of what was a much smaller internet. Free hosting was a joke, affordable paid hosting was not much better. Your bandwidth at home was not good and anyway your computer was not the powerhouse it is today - you needed…

>Everything internet sucked around 2000. Search engines where either semi-curated listing or covered a fraction of what was a much smaller internet. I disagree, and in fact preferred the internet of 2000 to the internet of 2015. Google search worked fine in 2000: although SEO existed in 2000, it was much less refined and extensive than in 2015. The main problem in search results today is that profit-motivated content…

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