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Re: Looking Forward: Support for Secure Shell

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I happily await the day when I no longer need to install PuTTY on all of my fresh Windows installs.

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While I agree that a native terminal/ssh client is the best solution, putty is very much maintained still: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/changes.ht... last change was in February of 2015

Re: Looking Forward: Support for Secure Shell

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Isn't ISE pretty much what you are asking for?

What is ISE? Some cursory googling makes it out to be some kind of Cisco router thing.

The Windows PowerShell Integrated Scripting Environment

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd315244.aspx?f=...

Re: Looking Forward: Support for Secure Shell

#65
Hallelujah... new package manager, modular install, and now ssh?

What's left? Perhaps a real terminal?

To bad this won't make it into Win 10, unless I misunderstood something. Looks like my days of sneering at Windows as a toy are numbered... end of an era, and it makes me a bit sad, sniff.

Re: Looking Forward: Support for Secure Shell

#67

I happily await the day when I no longer need to install PuTTY on all of my fresh Windows installs.

In a recent HN thread, someone pointed me to MobaXterm ( http://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/ ) and I have gladly deleted PuTTY.

Do you know if it has support for using an external text editor instead of the one they provide?

Re: Looking Forward: Support for Secure Shell

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post #29
post #22

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Isn't ISE pretty much what you are asking for?

It tries, but I think ISE is super clunky and it's awkward to use. It lacks the simplicity of a bog-standard terminal while not adding features to balance out its clunkiness (akin to the difference between a text editor an IDE--the IDE had best add something I can use if I'm going to take the hit).

Could you expand why you find ISE clunky and awkward compared to standard terminal? I mean you can just type in stuff and get answers back with fairly minimal interference as far as I can tell, just like a regular terminal.

Re: Looking Forward: Support for Secure Shell

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post #31

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A VPN with sshd exposed only inside the private network is a much smarter way of handling remote access. (But it's initially harder, so lots of people don't do it.)

You're just trading sshd bugs for VPN bugs, in that case. Which are more likely? From what I know, I think I'll put my lot in with sshd. Perhaps I'm not well informed, though. Also, sshd + fwknop (port knocking) is a very secure combo, IMO.

That solution is secure, but I used the word "smarter" to describe the use of a VPN intentionally. You are introducing nonstandard practices (everybody knows what a VPN is and everybody's already able to deal with them) with nonstandard behavior (ever tried to debug fwknop? because I have) and creating an obscure way for your stuff to fail (and it will, at 3AM, and you will not be able to Google your way out of it).

And you're also manually creating SSH tunnels to do anything else inside that network, so you've got that going for you, too.

It's 2015. A VPN is the settled method for accessing sensitive services inside a private network. Doing otherwise may create great nerd cred but doesn't make you do your job better.

Re: Looking Forward: Support for Secure Shell

#70
post #7

I'm looking forward to MS just dropping their OS entirely and using linux as their back-end. Basically, Microsoft might be better off creating their own linux distribution running a "microsoft windows" windows manager.

You mean desktop environment? Funnily enough, Windows started as one ( http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows#Early_versi... ). It was considered a "graphical operating system shell", what we'd call a "desktop environment" these days. It is technically doable, but I'm not sure the Windows NT kernel is worth discarding entirely. It has some fancy tech in there and if need be it can emulate POSIX through "per…

Windows became more usable when it started supplanting the underlying OS, however.
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