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Re: Looking Forward: Support for Secure Shell

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Post by eropple »

insertnickname wrote: post #28
Someone1234 wrote: post #2

Wonderful. I am a big supporter of Powershell, and while Powershell has supported remoting since almost day one, it will never enjoy quite as much support as SSH already receives (e.g. third party tools, firewall support, etc). It is also nice that they're looking into using something fairly "proven" secure, OpenSSH is exposed to the internet a lot (even if, yes, that is not best practice) so we can reasonably expect…

>OpenSSH is exposed to the internet a lot (even if, yes, that is not best practice) Please elaborate.

A VPN with sshd exposed only inside the private network is a much smarter way of handling remote access. (But it's initially harder, so lots of people don't do it.)

Re: Looking Forward: Support for Secure Shell

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Post by ed_blackburn »

atonse wrote: post #19

> Given our changes in leadership and culture, we decided to give it another try and this time, because we are able to show the clear and compelling customer value, the company is very supportive. Is that code for Ballmer's regime vs Nadella's regime?

I read it more as a barb against Steven Sinofsky former president of the Windows division, former internal competitor for CEO and alleged naysayer of open source.

Re: Looking Forward: Support for Secure Shell

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Post by ed_blackburn »

atonse wrote: post #19

> Given our changes in leadership and culture, we decided to give it another try and this time, because we are able to show the clear and compelling customer value, the company is very supportive. Is that code for Ballmer's regime vs Nadella's regime?

I read it more as a barb against Steven Sinofsky former president of the Windows division, former internal competitor for CEO and alleged naysayer of open source.

Re: Looking Forward: Support for Secure Shell

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Post by serge2k »

jadeddrag wrote: post #3

I'm looking forward to MS just dropping their OS entirely and using linux as their back-end. Basically, Microsoft might be better off creating their own linux distribution running a "microsoft windows" windows manager.

They might actually create a usable consumer OS given enough time to fix the garbage in Linux.

Re: Looking Forward: Support for Secure Shell

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Post by lelandbatey »

Someone1234 wrote: post #10
jadeddrag wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would we know unless we can read (and compile) the source code?

Considering how few people read and compile the Linux source code, how do you know on Linux? Most distributions are binary, not source.

While that's true, I still know people who compile their own OS from scratch; I've gone through the experience of compiling my entire system from source via Linux From Scratch[0].

There are many thousands of people who have done the same thing, and this gives us a "web of trust". And if you don't want to trust anyone, you can always compile it yourself.

That's the difference: I have the freedom to learn and study anything and everything. It might not be likely, and it might not be convenient, but it is possible.

[0] - http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/stable/

Re: Looking Forward: Support for Secure Shell

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Post by joshstrange »

Someone1234 wrote: post #2

Wonderful. I am a big supporter of Powershell, and while Powershell has supported remoting since almost day one, it will never enjoy quite as much support as SSH already receives (e.g. third party tools, firewall support, etc). It is also nice that they're looking into using something fairly "proven" secure, OpenSSH is exposed to the internet a lot (even if, yes, that is not best practice) so we can reasonably expect…

> In general people really are starting to run out of reasons to "hate" Microsoft. It will be interesting to see what they come up with in the future...

I agree with you overall, MS has made GREAT strides in the last year towards moving my needle from "Wouldn't touch if my life depended on it" to "Huh, that's actually pretty interesting". The old MS still shows through with things like how they are handling Win 10 (Both in versions and cost) but overall they are looking up. That said MS still has a long ways to go and I still wouldn't use Windows for anything (other than gaming) but some other stuff MS has done does interest me.

Re: Looking Forward: Support for Secure Shell

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Post by jadeddrag »

breischl wrote: post #21
jadeddrag wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure that the NSA agrees with you.

Yes they do! They also apparently like OSX, iOS, and RHEL.[1] Oh wait, you were just trying to score cheap snark points, weren't you? [1] - https://www.nsa.gov/ia/mitigation_guidance/security_configur...

Your link shows us how the NSA would like you to secure your systems, not their love for hiding their exploits behind closed sourced code. No snark points needed here!

Re: Looking Forward: Support for Secure Shell

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Post by munin »

eropple wrote: post #31
insertnickname wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>OpenSSH is exposed to the internet a lot (even if, yes, that is not best practice) Please elaborate.

A VPN with sshd exposed only inside the private network is a much smarter way of handling remote access. (But it's initially harder, so lots of people don't do it.)

the code for the VPN is better because...?
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