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Mapping the Hourly Wage Needed to Rent a 2-Bedroom Apartment in Every U.S. State

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#31

Am I the only one that doesn't see the value of assessing this at the state level? Given the drastic variability of rents within states, this seems like a useless (not to mention misleading) unit of analysis. Even worse, this kind of sensationalism around rising rents seems to be bringing the rent control zombie back to life in a number of cities. What a disaster that would be.

Agreed, county-level data would be a lot more relevant.

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#32
"Ask people what level of income would make them poor and they tend to come up with a number that's relative to their income. In the U.S., people are surveyed as to the amount of income necessary for a family of four to "get along." In 1950, the answer was $48 a week (PDF), or around 75 percent of household mean income that year. More than half a century later in 2007, the average answer was $1,000 a week—or around 77 percent of mean income."

Shouldn't they be using the median income since it's more resistant to outliers? Or did they just disregard the outliers?

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#33
I'm missing some definitions here. Not sure if I didn't see something, but what are they assuming in terms of number of hours/week and what does "two-bedroom housing wage" mean: is this just the wage at x hours/week that allows you to rent the average 2BR or does it include some other kind of spending like food? Because what does it help if minimum wage pays for the apartment but I can't eat? On a different note, in relation to everyone asking why 2BR is important: please just imagine being a single parent with, say, 1-2 kids and a minimum wage job.

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#34
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post #3

The article doesn't address why the hourly wage for 2-bedroom is relevant in relation to say, a 1-bedroom, studio, or mansion. Looking briefly at the BLS data, it seems that there are about equal numbers of single- and double-earner households. It's not clear to me that a single-earner household should expect to be able to rent a two bedroom apartment.

How dare single parent families expect to live somewhere decent.

Typically adults accept responsibility for their reproductive decisions.

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#35
post #24

The argument here is comparing the AVERAGE rental price with the MINIMUM wage, and then concluding that the minimum wage is less than the average rental? Well no shit! States that have rich people will have a higher average. But there are also plenty of cheap 2-bedroom apartments too! Why don't you compare the MINIMUM available 2-bedroom price with the MINIMUM wage? Then you can see if our poor can afford to live.

I swear I have been seeing this average/minimum bait-and-switch everyday for the last 3 weeks now. I don't know how something so false is having such momentum.

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#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In additional most of these lower wage job should be for younger high school age or college students. A grown adult(lets say 25) shouldn't be working the entry level position at MickeyD's. That should be an outlying case and policy shouldn't be decided on corner cases. Youth unemployment is significantly higher than the national average and if wages are mandated even higher then no one will take the chance on a 15 ye…

> A grown adult(lets say 25) shouldn't be working the entry level position at MickeyD's. That should be an outlying case and policy shouldn't be decided on corner cases. Maybe you think they shouldn't be, but statistics show they are . Good jobs are hard to come by and the median age of fast-food workers is 28[0] (meaning half are older than that). It's absolutely not a weird corner case. It's a very common thing, an…

Uniquely, it seems the act of grilling meat, and putting that between slices of bread, is harder to automate than driving a car. Or at least it's hard to automate for less than $15 an hour. Err $8 an hour.

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#38

This sort of stuff rubs me the wrong way. I live about 20 minutes outside of Pittsburgh. When I graduated college 6 years ago, I held down a restaurant job while doing an internship that would eventually lead to my first full-time job in my field. I had a roommate who worked at a hotel. We found a two-bedroom apartment (a house split into 3 units) that was going for $425/month plus utilities. Because we split, I had…

In additional most of these lower wage job should be for younger high school age or college students. A grown adult(lets say 25) shouldn't be working the entry level position at MickeyD's. That should be an outlying case and policy shouldn't be decided on corner cases. Youth unemployment is significantly higher than the national average and if wages are mandated even higher then no one will take the chance on a 15 ye…

So what should those people be doing? What job are you going to give them?

Re: Mapping the Hourly Wage Needed to Rent a 2-Bedroom Apartment in Every U.S. State

#39
post #37

Like Pavel says above/below, state level data like this is ok, but county level or even finer-grained data would be a lot better. There's a big difference in cost of living between Portland, Oregon and Burns, Oregon.

However, I would also guess there's a big difference in the amount and kind of jobs available.

Re: Mapping the Hourly Wage Needed to Rent a 2-Bedroom Apartment in Every U.S. State

#40

I'm missing some definitions here. Not sure if I didn't see something, but what are they assuming in terms of number of hours/week and what does "two-bedroom housing wage" mean: is this just the wage at x hours/week that allows you to rent the average 2BR or does it include some other kind of spending like food? Because what does it help if minimum wage pays for the apartment but I can't eat? On a different note, in…

They're looking at how many hours worked at minimum wage that it would take to afford an average priced 2 bedroom apartment, if you only spend 30% of your income of housing.
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