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The Agency: An army of well-paid “trolls” in St. Petersburg

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Re: The Agency: An army of well-paid “trolls” in St. Petersburg

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> Volodin installed in his office a custom-designed computer terminal loaded with a system called Prism, which monitored public sentiment online using 60 million sources

Oh look, they've got prism too!

> According to the website of its manufacturer, Prism “actively tracks the social media activities that result in increased social tension, disorderly conduct, protest sentiments and extremism.”

Well that's comforting.

This is obviously still in it's infancy, but they're only going to get better at this. Obvious leads and dead giveaways will be replaced with more subtly and variance, and detecting whats bullshit and whats real will become even more difficult, if not impossible.

This is russia's answer to people rioting over corruption in the government. Not transparency, not change; social manipulation of information and spreading lies.

And they aren't the only ones doing this. They're just the only ones we know about. No doubt other countries, companies and criminal organizations are operating similar tactics already.

Certainly puts a new spin on the term "don't talk to strangers"

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Expect a follow-up article in the Washington Post about a covert Chinese internet propaganda organization which successfully planted a story in the New York Times attributing a series of alleged online hoaxes to a Russian organization. The hoaxes seemed real enough - there were youtube videos and twitter accounts and websites - but in reality there was no evidence that the hoaxes had ever actually happened.

Can we expect another follow up from Huffington Post that it was the NK propaganda agency which successfully planted the story about the Chinese in the Washington Post?

And we can continue this story until it comes back that it all started with the NSA.

... Until we learn that it is really an alien civilization that wants our natural resources trying to get us all to kill each other so they don't have to fight us?

I kid I kid, but seriously...

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Ah, the Russian trolls.

I run a crowdsourced news startup (https://grasswire.com), and along with it one of the bigger non-mainstream news Twitter accounts (@grasswire, 130k followers).

The Ukrainian conflict has died down a little bit, but when it was in full swing the Russian trolls were everywhere, and were pretty obvious, but that didn't matter.

For example, here are a couple of my favorites (and among the most active:)

https://twitter.com/gogigogi12 https://twitter.com/steiner1776

I'm pretty sure now they're mostly set to automatically retweet anything with a pro-Russian sentiment, but back in the day they would pretty much respond to every tweet. For the casual user it was very convincing stuff: "Oh wow, maybe @steiner1776 is right and that report was full of lies, and I just didn't know better - thank goodness I have someone who is willing to stand up for truth."

Most people don't have time to research, and just follow public opinion, even if the public opinion is created by a bunch of trolls. It's especially easy to fall for the trolls when they tell you that "the man" has been lying to you all along (and in most cases "the man" means the United States). (To be clear: The United States does some messed up stuff and is far, far from without fault.)

There were a few days when they would seemingly download photos from any tragedy that had ever happened, and just add a generic line - something like "Stop killing Donbass people," insinuating that these deaths were caused by the Ukrainian army (and by extension, somehow, the United States). The photos were from Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Israel - wherever. I'm sure they were just being pulled from some file somewhere with a generic message attached. But that stuff _exploded_. Hundreds of thousands of retweets per day, driving public opinion, based on complete and utter bullshit.

So there are some Russian trolls; this isn't the end of the world, right? The problem is that for many of the people on Twitter these were real people expressing legitimate concern. Some of their blatantly false tweets (they were easily discoverable to be such with a reverse image search) went legitimately viral (not just spun into their other accounts for retweets). Hundreds of thousands of impressions per tweet from people who aren't going to run a reverse image search, and get their news from Twitter.

I don't know what the solution is, but this is extremely dangerous for society. It's easy to pass them off as "trolls," but trolls change the way that people act and believe, even when they're only sharing false information.

We started Grasswire in part as a response to that. The fact-check feature on Grasswire isn't used as frequently now, but at the time about 50% of the stuff that went viral was completely and verifiably false - look at the history of the Grasswire Fact-Check account (@grasswirefacts) for examples of that. It helped, but I fear it was only drop in the bucket.

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Poorly titled and therefore hard to share on Hacker News, but lengthy and worth reading investigative reporting into a bizarre 'Internet Research Agency' that mainly produces pro-Putin propaganda, in both English and Russian. I'm surprised, frankly, that they don't have better English-language proficiency.

Russians have a very low English level by european standards, and people proficient in English cost more. Main profit model of this establishments was always cutting costs while charging more — especially when the person you're charging is a government official (whom you know very closely), who is hiring your company to get some of this budget in his pocket in the first place. So, the quality is not at all the priori…

And perhaps people who are proficient in English are not only costly, but they might also be politically unreliable...

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> Volodin installed in his office a custom-designed computer terminal loaded with a system called Prism, which monitored public sentiment online using 60 million sources Oh look, they've got prism too! > According to the website of its manufacturer, Prism “actively tracks the social media activities that result in increased social tension, disorderly conduct, protest sentiments and extremism.” Well that's comforting.…

I'm not sure if you'd agree with it or not, but I'd want to emphasize something: this behavior is not limited to foreign governments that have antithetical interests to the USA. Even publicly, the CIA recognizes that it has teams of employees working on social media to push people (particularly in the Middle East) to support positions more consistent with American interests.

And it'd surely be pretty damn profitable in the USA domestically to offer a service where a bunch of trolls would push your product, service, or candidate on the Internet.

(This comment may or may not be brought to you by the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service.)

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post #3

Poorly titled and therefore hard to share on Hacker News, but lengthy and worth reading investigative reporting into a bizarre 'Internet Research Agency' that mainly produces pro-Putin propaganda, in both English and Russian. I'm surprised, frankly, that they don't have better English-language proficiency.

> that mainly produces pro-Putin propaganda, in both English and Russian.

And also seems to be testing disinformation campaigns in the US, such as spreading panic about (fake) disasters.

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