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Re: Dear Paul

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Post by gear54rus »

DanBC wrote: post #105
gear54rus wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel you. Sadly, almost no one else here does. I am yet to determine as to why, but everyone prefers smoothed-out shit to blunt truth. And the topics discussed here are not even that emotional compared to other possible alternatives. This is also said in the context of the recent 'blabla no negativity' rule.

"The rule is no gratuitous negativity. You can be negative, just try to at least be constructive about it" "The rule is no gratuitous negativity you stupid fuck. You can be negative, just try to be constructive". Which sentence do you think is goig to derail conversations and lead to useless but heated argument?

If people are not obsessively looking for reasons to be offended (which kind of might hint about subtle underlying psychological problems) - neither.

Re: Dear Paul

#112

Post by DanBC »

gear54rus wrote: post #111
DanBC wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The rule is no gratuitous negativity. You can be negative, just try to at least be constructive about it" "The rule is no gratuitous negativity you stupid fuck. You can be negative, just try to be constructive". Which sentence do you think is goig to derail conversations and lead to useless but heated argument?

If people are not obsessively looking for reasons to be offended (which kind of might hint about subtle underlying psychological problems) - neither.

Calling someone a stupid fuck is clearly corrosive and going to derail threads. Do you really not see that?

And placing the blame for that on mental health problems? That's ignorant and lazy.

Re: Dear Paul

#113

Post by DanBC »

hueving wrote: post #99
DanBC wrote: post #98

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But the bile is mostly correct. HN has a severe problem of a lack of civility between people actually here, and that problems gets worse the further away the person being talked about is. HN is a really unpleasant place to be sometimes. (I know I'm guilty of this sometimes, and I welcome downvotes to steer me)

>But the bile is mostly correct. Really? Where did you get the stats for the average penis size of the HN commenter?

Mostly ≠ totally

Re: Dear Paul

#114

Post by JacobAldridge »

hueving wrote: post #99
DanBC wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the bile is mostly correct. HN has a severe problem of a lack of civility between people actually here, and that problems gets worse the further away the person being talked about is. HN is a really unpleasant place to be sometimes. (I know I'm guilty of this sometimes, and I welcome downvotes to steer me)

>But the bile is mostly correct. Really? Where did you get the stats for the average penis size of the HN commenter?

You get access when you reach 25,000 Karma points. You know, so you don't feel too bad if the data doesn't swing in your favor.

Re: Dear Paul

#116

Post by tlrobinson »

ghshephard wrote: post #76
thaumaturgy wrote: post #44

Disappointing to see this at 139 points in under an hour (and still going...). It's just a lot of bile. I like Zed when he's talking about software development. I like tptacek when he's talking about cryptography or money or cooking or any of the other several subjects he's reasonably skilled in. I like pg when he's talking about startups. All of them are capable of getting their hackles up, getting in fights, saying…

Regarding this Video - I follow tptacek religously, particularly when he's talking about cryptography, and I'm always interested in what Zed is up to. And, while I seem to recall a post by Zed somewhat negative about RoR, I've never heard about this "video". And if someone like me, who reads HN every day , and follows both Zed, and tptacek postings closely has never heard of it - it's pretty clear that next to 0% of…

I was at the talk Zed was ranting about and didn't know what Zed was ranting about until I looked it up.

Re: Dear Paul

#117

Post by gear54rus »

DanBC wrote: post #112
gear54rus wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people are not obsessively looking for reasons to be offended (which kind of might hint about subtle underlying psychological problems) - neither.

Calling someone a stupid fuck is clearly corrosive and going to derail threads. Do you really not see that? And placing the blame for that on mental health problems? That's ignorant and lazy.

Why is the premises here that everything to the last letter has to be taken seriously? I'll be damned, but there's reddit? netsec and such places. They seem to fare pretty well. Relevant rules?

- Don't create unnecessary conflict.

- Keep the discussion on topic.

- Limit the use of jokes & memes.

Places a bit of trust in people's hands instead of slapping 'lel no this, lel no that'.

I can't say I blame something or someone (well maybe people introducing those rules), after all it barely affects me.

Re: Dear Paul

#118

Post by pja »

hueving wrote: post #85
enraged_camel wrote: post #56

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You should only flag things that are against the guidelines. In that regard, I don't see anything about this particular post that is problematic. It has some bile, sure, but the man makes some excellent points that we would benefit a lot from openly discussing here. The best communities are those that self-reflect. They don't sweep the criticisms under the rug -- and I perceive your flagging as an attempt to do just…

How many little dick insults before you just consider the author to be inflammatory and small-minded? If this weren't for someone with a big name, it would have been dead on arrival.

Unfortunately, the RoR “community” and Zed have a history when it comes to penis-related insults. There was a time when you could add anyone you liked to a github project & they couldn’t block you, so a bunch of developers thought it would be funny to add Zed's github account to a project to draw ascii penises. Every time he’d remove himself, they’d add him to another one & so on.

Puerile? Yup. Also, possibly career sabotaging if a potential future employer looks at your github project list.

See https://web.archive.org/web/20130117043748/http://sheddingbi... for some of the gory details. Github woke up, smelled the coffee & made it possible for their users to block other users shortly after this little saga.

Yes, it’s easy for us to say “he should be the bigger person & not respond in kind” but on the flip side, we haven’t been on the receiving end of this kind of abusive behaviour.

Re: Dear Paul

#119

Post by necrodawg »

Do things. Tell people. Ignore the hate.

I know it's hard. There are people out there who will make you regret ever making/doing something and sharing it with the community.

Like my dawg Kanye West said, "...usually when you're the absolute best, you get hated on the most.'

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