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For the convenience of non-US commenters/readers: that's 13 C.
And for those who don't regularly swim in open water, that's f *g cold.
That was her body temperature, not the water's temperature.
Italian boy survives being trapped underwater for 42 minutes
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#42Why is there a picture of some random dude with the caption "the teenager jumped off a bridge in Milan"? I'm assuming he didn't also age 30 years in the process.
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#44I wonder why they even tried CPR or a defibrillator. They spent 42 minutes rescuing someone who was underwater, and then decided to try and revive him? Maybe there are details left out, like he was not fully submerged the entire time...
Context: I spent my civil service (+2 more years as a volunteer) serving as a paramedic for the italian national healthcare in Milan. Paramedics/EMTs can't declare anyone deceased (they are not doctors) and on ambulances there are no doctors. This means that, as paramedics are first to arrive on the scene, they HAVE to perform CPR and defibrillation over anyone until a doctor declares death (only exception is with co…
Perhaps things are different in Italy, but here in the US I can absolutely pronounce someone dead. 'EMT' is a lower level of training, and do require the 'injuries incompatible with life' criteria, but as a paramedic, I have far more leeway. patient has an unknown downtime, is cool centrally, has visible lividity, or early stages of rigor, then I'm just going to hook up an EKG to confirm asystole, call my dispatcher for an official timestamp, and hand the scene over to the police.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
And for those who don't regularly swim in open water, that's f *g cold.
That was her body temperature, not the water's temperature.
Indeed. The water would be even colder.
After 80 minutes, though, how much difference is there? Still some, I'm sure, but water is really good at conducting heat.
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#47There's a reason why they say that "you're not dead until you're warm and dead"! The case of Anna Bågenholm [1] is similarly fascinating. She was in cold meltwater for 80 minutes before being pulled out, and made a ~full recovery. Her core temperature was around 56 degrees when they began resuscitation. It is truly amazing how effective hypothermia is at preserving bodily function! [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An…
For the convenience of non-US commenters/readers: that's 13 C.
Ah right. I thought she was boiled in water
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#48At one point the article claims he fell into the canal, then a couple sentences later says he jumped in willingly. Which is it?
"An Italian boy who fell into a canal…" "The 14-year-old, who is said to have jumped off a bridge in Cuggiono…" It sounds very much like 'journalist-speak'. When they start with "He fell into a canal", they're establishing the boy's innocence - i.e. he wasn't trying to kill himself, wasn't up to anything dodgy, etc. They're also establishing plausible deniability in the event of a libel suit. When they add 'who is sa…
That's a long way of saying they were being careful with language to avoid making incorrect statements.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
For the convenience of non-US commenters/readers: that's 13 C.
And for those who don't regularly swim in open water, that's f *g cold.
having been in the water below a dam its amazing just how cold it can be. The best part is, watching a friend drop an expensive knife in less than four feet of water and unable to retrieve it cause of the cold. Fortunately a few young kids came wading down the same river in this water and when they asked my friend what was wrong he pointed to the knife and the one kid simply went under and got it.
and to my point, perhaps younger people have better ability to not suffer the ill effects of such temperatures? I am sure many can remember being in snow or sweltering hot weather where adults all went indoors or such. Is it ignorance or something physical?
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#50Did anyone else catch the doctor mentioning that the boy recently asked for a mojito? It's a bit surprising that a 14 year old would ask for alcohol in a country where the drinking age is 18. But hey, it's Italy, perhaps there significantly more relaxed about kids drinking than Americans like me!
Yes, the relationship of italians with alcohol is significantly different than the one in english-speaking countries. Much more "sane" and relaxed, I'd dare to say. Alcohol isn't a social problem and it's tolerated for young people to drink (or to smoke weed) despite not being yet 18 - at least in Milan.
I think that's probably true for most of Europe.