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Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#112

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I've never been able to understand why anyone with a clue uses Gmail. I just have all my devices sync to an IMAP server provided by an ISP. Android phones have a perfectly good IMAP client. No ads, reasonably good spam filtering, and reasonably good search capability.

Sorry, I don't understand your reasoning. Why do you trust your ISP more than Google? ISPs have much more shady practices and are able to match your online and real persona with 100% accuracy. If you care about privacy, why do you use Android(non-cyanogen I assume)?

Note that he could be living in a jurisdiction where the law provides better protection for electronic communications (email being one of them), thus preventing his ISP from reading/analyzing/reselling his emails.

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#113

> If you’re not interested in a tailored experience you can adjust your preferences at any time I don't mean to nitpick language, but does this sound incredibly condescending to anyone else? They might as well have written "If you're a paranoid loser I guess you can have the shitty experience where we don't try to ham-fistedly guess at your interests" The funny thing is I think if they just didn't speak in idiotic PR…

They also avoid to say that this doesn't stop collection of the app lists, but just the "tailoring". They still snoop and you can't stop it.

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

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Sorry, I don't understand your reasoning. Why do you trust your ISP more than Google? ISPs have much more shady practices and are able to match your online and real persona with 100% accuracy. If you care about privacy, why do you use Android(non-cyanogen I assume)?

Theoretically the ISP is being paid for providing the service, while Google ... well...

The implicit suggestion that one stops "being the product"[0] if one is paying for the service has no roots in reality.

[0] This oversimplification has to die.

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#115

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Sorry, I don't understand your reasoning. Why do you trust your ISP more than Google? ISPs have much more shady practices and are able to match your online and real persona with 100% accuracy. If you care about privacy, why do you use Android(non-cyanogen I assume)?

Note that he could be living in a jurisdiction where the law provides better protection for electronic communications (email being one of them), thus preventing his ISP from reading/analyzing/reselling his emails.

Which jurisdiction would you trust in this matter?

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

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Amazing they're doing all this trying to make their service "better," yet they continuously show me a feed of content I resent.

I've noticed this with other services, apparently it's difficult to distinguish between "love thing X so much you share it" and "hate thing X so much you complain about it"

A lot of people seem to enjoy complaining. If you like posting this kind of thing to your friends, what's the difference?

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

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Apple should ban the app for this, right? http://danielamitay.com/blog/2015/5/29/shutting-down-a-500mm...

Is there an API in iOS to get information about other apps? How is Twitter doing it? I thought all apps were 'sandboxed' in iOS.

You can

1.) Scan for custom URL schemes the applications register so you can open them from other apps or web URLs. 2.) Retrieve a list of currently running processes in the background

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#118

> If you’re not interested in a tailored experience you can adjust your preferences at any time I don't mean to nitpick language, but does this sound incredibly condescending to anyone else? They might as well have written "If you're a paranoid loser I guess you can have the shitty experience where we don't try to ham-fistedly guess at your interests" The funny thing is I think if they just didn't speak in idiotic PR…

Every time I see stuff like this, it reminds me of Betsy Haibel's article, "The Fantasy and Abuse of the Manipulable User: When mistreating users becomes competitive advantage."[1]. Once I started to see how much a lot of current tech tries to softly coerce us without our consent, it's been hard to unsee and hard to be okay with it.

[1] https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/the-fantasy-and-abuse-of...

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#119

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There is also private API that is not very difficult to hide, which gives you all the installed app bundle identifiers.

How would you hide calls to private APIs?

Hardcode the address on all known platforms and skip it on unknown ones, or disassemble a public function that calls it and figure out the address from there, or read the Mach-O headers and write your own dlsym, etc. etc.

Apple once blocked a updates for everyone using a common SDK because it had named a symbol something that happened to be the name of an unrelated private API, and the review process couldn't tell the difference. That implies things about the rigor of the review process.

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#120

We've designed app graph to exclude apps that appear to be especially sensitive, such as ones dealing with your health, sexual orientation, or religious beliefs. I was alarmed until I read this. It is really nice of them to choose to keep our sensitive private information private. Thanks Twitter! ( Of course I completely trust Twitter to make the right decision on which apps are considered sensitive. )

I feel sorry for the apps that are trying hard to fit in and "appear" unsensitive. They probably still get snooped. That must really hurt their feelings.
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