The silent majority agrees with this sentence.
Why would anyone disagree with this sentence, unless someone thinks having people killed is a normal part of business?
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Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison
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#502Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Cars and guns also hurt people but pretty much anyone can sell those When car or gun buying addiction becomes more then a negligible problem, you'll have a terrific point.
90+% of American households own cars. Approximately 30'000 die in car crashes every year. I'd say the US is addicted to cars.
Under a nonsense 'definition' that nobody uses. Sure I can make any point if I get to redefine words any way I want.
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#503Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you implying drugs don't hurt anyone? Even the most ardent proponent of full legalization usually acknowledges that many drugs are very harmful--they just believe the people should be free to do things even if they are harmful to themselves. I generally support decriminalization or even legalization, but I would be reluctant to allow internet sales. I'd require sales to be through licensed dealers and in person,…
Licensed & regulated dealers (aka pharmacies) would be great. In regards to the harm from drugs-- I'd add the obvious point that prohibition comes with a really high cost. I recently did dry-january and I was really happy with the results of cutting back on my drinking. I wake up more rested, and had more energy in the evenings. I've been thinking that going totally dry might be a good thing to do in my life. But wou…
Not sure why people and especially lawmakers keep separating alcohol and other drugs. Alcohol is a drug and one of the more dangerous and addictive ones at that. If that is legal than so should a lot of other drugs be. And trying to make it illegal, as you say does not work; it makes it things worse.
Re: Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison
#504Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you implying drugs don't hurt anyone? Even the most ardent proponent of full legalization usually acknowledges that many drugs are very harmful--they just believe the people should be free to do things even if they are harmful to themselves. I generally support decriminalization or even legalization, but I would be reluctant to allow internet sales. I'd require sales to be through licensed dealers and in person,…
Licensed & regulated dealers (aka pharmacies) would be great. In regards to the harm from drugs-- I'd add the obvious point that prohibition comes with a really high cost. I recently did dry-january and I was really happy with the results of cutting back on my drinking. I wake up more rested, and had more energy in the evenings. I've been thinking that going totally dry might be a good thing to do in my life. But wou…
> Why does the general public consider drug prohibition to be that much different than alcohol prohibition??
Because they have been told by the media, over and over, for decades. At least that's my theory. Consider how often the phrase "drugs and alcohol" is used in the general context of substance-based addiction.
Because it is socially accepted. Being a connoisseur of fine wines or whiskey is something many people consider sophisticated. Being a connoisseur of, say psychedelics or stimulants is, apparently a criminal offense.
Re: Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison
#505Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you implying drugs don't hurt anyone? Even the most ardent proponent of full legalization usually acknowledges that many drugs are very harmful--they just believe the people should be free to do things even if they are harmful to themselves. I generally support decriminalization or even legalization, but I would be reluctant to allow internet sales. I'd require sales to be through licensed dealers and in person,…
Licensed & regulated dealers (aka pharmacies) would be great. In regards to the harm from drugs-- I'd add the obvious point that prohibition comes with a really high cost. I recently did dry-january and I was really happy with the results of cutting back on my drinking. I wake up more rested, and had more energy in the evenings. I've been thinking that going totally dry might be a good thing to do in my life. But wou…
Alcohol dealing gangs? We didn't have those at my high school, we'd just give a homeless guy extra cash to buy us a few 40s or a bottle of Jameson.
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#506Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, I'm glad you're convinced, because I'm certainly not nor does it appear that the judge was either. "Forrest rejected arguments that Silk Road had reduced harm among drug users by taking illegal activities off the street. “No drug dealer from the Bronx has ever made this argument to the court. It’s a privileged argument and it’s an argument made by one of the privileged,” she said"
No drug dealer from the Bronx was reviewed by buyers for all to see before making a deal with them. Arguably, a dealer from the Bronx would be on the streets so couldn't make that defense in the first place... so the comparison doesn't hold up. >It’s a privileged argument and it’s an argument made by one of the privileged I'm unsure what this is even supposed to mean. I tried searching for a definition of "privileged…
I think she meant that we're used to having our drug dealers dark skinned and underprivileged from the Bronx, and it would be much easier to deal with according to precedence if we kept it that way. A sophisticated (though not enough, as it turns out) technological attempt to subvert the status quo is inconceivable.
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#507“I strongly believe that my son would be here today if Ross Ulbricht had not created Silk Road,” said the man, who was identified in court only as Richard. Such an ignorant comment it doesn't even deserve to be commented.
The court docs were taken down since Ulbricht's attorney messed up and uploaded unredacted versions, but if that's the guy I think it is; His son had started abusing benzos but wanted to try heroin -- he bought some H on the Silk Road and then ODed after trying it once. When they found his body, the computer was literally open to the Silk Road page.. (There were 6 deaths detailed in the sentencing guidelines, so my r…
You can buy heroin everywhere. It's his job, as a father, to educate his son about drugs and other addictive substances. Blaming Silk Road is lying to yourself, but some people lack autocriticism and like blaming other people. In fact, I bet what they sold on Silk Road was of higher quality than what they sell on the streets.
The more I read about the war on drugs, the sadder I become. I used to be one of those that wanted to leave everything as it is today, and I've changed my mind.
Re: Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison
#508Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you implying drugs don't hurt anyone? Even the most ardent proponent of full legalization usually acknowledges that many drugs are very harmful--they just believe the people should be free to do things even if they are harmful to themselves. I generally support decriminalization or even legalization, but I would be reluctant to allow internet sales. I'd require sales to be through licensed dealers and in person,…
Licensed & regulated dealers (aka pharmacies) would be great. In regards to the harm from drugs-- I'd add the obvious point that prohibition comes with a really high cost. I recently did dry-january and I was really happy with the results of cutting back on my drinking. I wake up more rested, and had more energy in the evenings. I've been thinking that going totally dry might be a good thing to do in my life. But wou…
US prison statistics should have everyone questioning what the hell our government is doing.
According to The Federal Bureau of Prisons: - 48.7% of prisoners are in for drug related offenses
Apparently a large number (12.3-27.3%) are for Marijuana related offenses.
See http://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offens...
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#509Earlier quoted context omitted.
You seem to suggest that silkroad was an innocent market place that was used for drug trafficking without the knowledge of its creator...
Does that matter? There was nothing drug specific about the site implementation - you could sell anything you wanted to (gold, collectables, etc). He provided a system that could be used as a valuable service for legal activities. It could also be used for illegal or banned activities in various jurisdictions. I'm just saying that it's a dangerous precedent to say that anyone creating a communication or transaction p…
It does. If you create "the drug and other illegal products and services" market place, it is hard to argue you are not a drug dealer. Intent is a big deal when determining whether a behaviour is criminal.
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#510Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not an expert here actually; do you know what could be considered a more reliable program? I find addictions very interesting, especially given the discovery of the FOSB protein.
Anecdotally, there are many compounds/experiences that seem to be highly effective (even to the point of eliminating withdrawl symptoms): cannabis, ayhuasca/DMT, ibogaine, and other psychedelics.
Anecdotally? Where does that come from, do you have any sources?
Also, withdrawal is not the major problem when combating addiction.