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Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#91

"App graph". Something about that phrase makes it sound even sneakier, like an innocuous technical thing that has nothing to do with people. Nothing to see here. Just an app graph. I think I will build a social network where your profile pic is a split screen of your headshot and your exposed genitals. You will use your real name, home address, and cell phone number, and frequently upload your credit card statements.…

Yeah..how is it a graph? Isn't it just an unordered list of data points?

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#92
It's hilarious how these guys have spent billions looking for the lost city of targeted advertising and all they've done is invent new ways of scaring away customers.

How about telling us what's on sale at nearby grocery or hardware stores?

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#93
> If you’re not interested in a tailored experience you can adjust your preferences at any time

I don't mean to nitpick language, but does this sound incredibly condescending to anyone else? They might as well have written "If you're a paranoid loser I guess you can have the shitty experience where we don't try to ham-fistedly guess at your interests"

The funny thing is I think if they just didn't speak in idiotic PR-speak people probably wouldn't care. Sometimes I'm more annoyed that companies aren't just direct. The direct case isn't even that bad: "Hey, so we have to sell ads to make our business work and feed our families. It's better for you and the advertiser if we can try to give you ads that you might like so we can waste less of your time and the advertisers bandwidth. There's nothing in it for us to mess with your important private info, and a world of legal and PR downside. We're just asking to take a peek at your interests so we can guess at what you might like."

You'd still be justified in saying "nope", but at least you'd feel like you were treated like not an idiot.

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#94

> If you’re not interested in a tailored experience you can adjust your preferences at any time I don't mean to nitpick language, but does this sound incredibly condescending to anyone else? They might as well have written "If you're a paranoid loser I guess you can have the shitty experience where we don't try to ham-fistedly guess at your interests" The funny thing is I think if they just didn't speak in idiotic PR…

It sounds like pretty typical obfuscatory doublespeak to me. "tailored" really means "targeted" and "experience" is a word used so often that it has lost almost all meaning.

The other words that evoke an almost visceral reaction of disgust for me are "offers" and "deals".

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#95

> > What is Twitter using my app graph for? > Twitter is using your app graph to help build a more tailored experience for you on Twitter. No thanks. > Some examples of how we may use your graph data include: > - Improved “who to follow” suggestions that share similar interests No. > - Adding Tweets, accounts, or other content to your timeline that we think you'll find especially interesting Good lord, no. > - Showin…

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Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#96
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have around 10 gmail accounts, each of which only receives random junk from various sites and mailing lists. I create compressed, encrypted archives that contain only random data, and use them to fill my "drive". Google is welcome to analyze as much of that as they want.

That behaviour is damaging. What is your reasoning and justification for it?

It actually isn't. Sometimes data has too much purity. Noise can actually help.

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#97
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Apple should ban the app for this, right? http://danielamitay.com/blog/2015/5/29/shutting-down-a-500mm...

Is there an API in iOS to get information about other apps? How is Twitter doing it? I thought all apps were 'sandboxed' in iOS.

Apps can register custom URL schemes to enable other apps to open them, pass them data and even deep-link to within them. There is an official API called canOpenUrl: which will let you check if a particular URL scheme is registered on a particular device. So that, along with a database of public URL schemes published by other apps, lets you detect which apps are installed.

I wasn't aware of this before but apparently you can also use sysctl() to check the names of running processes (which is less reliable as processes will get bumped off if the foreground app requires more memory).

More here: http://danielamitay.com/blog/2011/2/16/how-to-detect-install...

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#98

> > What is Twitter using my app graph for? > Twitter is using your app graph to help build a more tailored experience for you on Twitter. No thanks. > Some examples of how we may use your graph data include: > - Improved “who to follow” suggestions that share similar interests No. > - Adding Tweets, accounts, or other content to your timeline that we think you'll find especially interesting Good lord, no. > - Showin…

Allow me to translate:

> Twitter is using your app graph to help build a more tailored experience for you on Twitter.

The more we can prove to advertisers we deliver targetted content, the more they will pay us.

> Improved “who to follow” suggestions that share similar interests

We will continue to suggest you to follow people who paid us but they are more likely to actually be remotely interesting to you (no promise, though).

> Adding Tweets, accounts, or other content to your timeline that we think you'll find especially interesting

See first item.

> Showing you more relevant promoted content.

See first item.

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#99
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That behaviour is damaging. What is your reasoning and justification for it?

It actually isn't. Sometimes data has too much purity. Noise can actually help.

db poisoning can help, but just having an account (10 is even worse) inflates their numbers and strengthens the perception that people should use gmail.

A long time ago, before the PC, market share perceptions lead to the idea that "Nobody got fired for buying IBM". It was a very effective trump card a salesman could use with managers to scare them away from the competition. In the PC era, "Nobody got fired for buying Microsoft" was abused in the same way.

This is really just a consequence of Metcalfe's Law-style network effects, which is why it is usually a bad idea to use anything that is known to be a problem; even if you use it maliciously, just the fact that someone gets to legitimately claims they have a larger clientèle becomes an additional barrier in the path of any competitor.

Re: “We are only collecting the list of applications you have installed.”

#100

> If you’re not interested in a tailored experience you can adjust your preferences at any time I don't mean to nitpick language, but does this sound incredibly condescending to anyone else? They might as well have written "If you're a paranoid loser I guess you can have the shitty experience where we don't try to ham-fistedly guess at your interests" The funny thing is I think if they just didn't speak in idiotic PR…

It sounds like pretty typical obfuscatory doublespeak to me. "tailored" really means "targeted" and "experience" is a word used so often that it has lost almost all meaning. The other words that evoke an almost visceral reaction of disgust for me are "offers" and "deals".

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