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Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison

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Re: Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison

#101
post #45

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> People have a right to buy drugs. Actually they don't, which is kind of the point.

Yes, they do, you just don't understand rights. Rights are the things that we would all agree should be legally protected if we were all rational about it. So they're a human construct, but they're still objective.

Ironically, that definition of "rights" is subjective (most people would agree with you, but not all). And what you define as a "right" is also very subjective.

Re: Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison

#102
It looks like the lessons here are

1) Be careful how your promote your criminal enterprise (early bitcoin talk pages about silk road are from Ross)

2) Don't commit a crime to cover up a lesser crime (Covering up running silk road by trying to commit murder by hire)

3) regularaly check the IP of your service that is running a TOR site. Requests sent to that IP should have been blocked.

Re: Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison

#103

Amazing. Write software, make billions. Write some other software, get life in prison.

Incredible. Fire a gun at a deer, get meat. Fire a gun at a baby, get life in prison.

Intransigent. Set a log on fire, keep warm. Set a house on fire, get convicted of insurance fraud and arson.

Re: Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison

#104
post #62

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This is simply not true. Not only was the evidence introduced at trial, but it was tied to a specific charge, and considered at length by the court. https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1391...

So which of the charges is it (from your link): " charging Ulbricht with seven crimes: Narcotics Trafficking (Count One), Distribution of Narcotics by Means of the Internet (Count Two), Narcotics Trafficking Conspiracy (Count Three), Continuing Criminal Enterprise (Count Four), Conspiracy to Commit and Aid and Abet Computer Hacking (Count Five), Conspiracy to Traffic in Fraudulent Identification Documents (Count Six)…

The murder for hire scheme was the second overt act charged in Count One (an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy is an element of conspiracy.) [0]

[0] see p. 5 of the indictment: http://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao-sdny/legacy/...

Re: Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison

#105
post #72
post #24

It's interesting. On one hand, if a leader of a traditional drug distribution network landed a life in prison sentence, I wouldn't have thought twice about it. With Silkroad though, I'm actually convinced by the defendants argument: that it provided safer, more trustworthy drugs to users. I've had friends who've died from purchasing bad drugs at raves from people who were looking to make money and run. In one situati…

Harm reduction is a reasonable argument for a Country to make for changing its drug policies, or for a person to make in an effort to advocate for a change to a Country's laws. It is not a reasonable argument for an individual to make to try to justify their illegal get-rich scheme.

This.

Whether true or not, the intention behind drug laws is physical harm and addiction. Additional harms like risk of violence or overdoses due to impurities are secondary at best.

Unless there's judicial activism going on, making that admission is pretty much just handing the keys to freedom over. Why even bother with a trial? Should have done a plea bargain.

Re: Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison

#106
post #64

I think that this is completely disproportionate. He is being treated as if he was a serial killer or a mob-boss. Hell, even Al Capone was only sentenced to 11 years in Prison.

Capone was sentenced to eleven years for tax evasion, not more serious criminal offenses.

Re: Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison

#107
post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What laws of nature? The laws of nature that say if I'm bigger and stronger than you I can beat you up and take all of your stuff?

The poster is referring to the (often great) disparity between natural and legal rights. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_and_legal_rights

Of course he is.

But I think the idea of natural rights is dumb. They're made up by humans. They're enforced by humans. Their exact nature is disagreed upon and debated by humans.

The idea that there is some set of core natural rights that comes from somewhere other than humans is a tactic used to avoid debate on which rights we should and should not have by people unwilling to actually support their ideas with facts or reasoning.

You might as well just say that god told us to do it that way.

Re: Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison

#108
post #21

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The prosecution sentencing memo rebuts this argument, pointing out that Ulbricht's attempts to procure murder for hire were explicit factual components of one of the charges he faced. Ulbricht's argument to the effect that he wasn't properly charged with the murder-for-hire scheme was addressed in detail by the court: https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1391...

> The prosecution sentencing memo rebuts this argument, pointing out that Ulbricht's attempts to procure murder for hire were explicit factual components of one of the charges he faced. The prosecution memo does not rebut this argument, it rebuts instead the clearly different but related argument that the murder-for-hire scheme was uncharged conduct which could therefore not be considered in sentencing. It was -- as…

I'm certainly not saying he was convicted of hiring a hit man. He was convicted of a conspiracy to traffic narcotics, one overt act of which was the attempt to procure a murder for hire.

The argument I'm challenging is the notion that the factual claim of Ulbricht's attempt to hire a hitman wasn't subjected to scrutiny during the trial. It was a specifically introduced factual claim, which Ulbricht's counsel was required to rebut.

Re: Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison

#109

That seems way too harsh to me. I have strong opinions on the US War on Drugs and it's failure to meaningful deal with drug use/abuse in the USA. And I feel even worse about how it's spilling out into the rest of the world as we go "global" with everything. I can't say I know every detail of the case but I don't recall anyone getting killed or even hurt by Mr. Ulbricht so in my mind the punishment does not fit the cr…

Indeed. This is an exemplary jail sentence: in theory it should be possible to create a perfect dark market, and there is nothing that the FBI can do about it, so they have to implant fear to try to reduce the amount of people who are willing to create the next SR...

Re: Ross Ulbricht Sentenced to Life in Prison

#110

That seems way too harsh to me. I have strong opinions on the US War on Drugs and it's failure to meaningful deal with drug use/abuse in the USA. And I feel even worse about how it's spilling out into the rest of the world as we go "global" with everything. I can't say I know every detail of the case but I don't recall anyone getting killed or even hurt by Mr. Ulbricht so in my mind the punishment does not fit the cr…

I agree. In all likelihood, he'll be found guilty on the murder for hire, which is yet to be tried: give him 20 on the drug marketplace, since he'll likely get life on the murder for hire.
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