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Re: Kung Fury – a comedy funded through Kickstarter [video]

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post #41

Nobody in the thread has yet called it what it is: retrowave. This was a musical genre first. It wholly appropriates the aesthetics of a subset of 80's media and condenses it into a "historical fantasy" world that is easier to digest than the authentic thing. You don't enjoy retrowave for its writing or storytelling, generally speaking. Treat Kung Fury like an extended music video and it makes way more sense.

Also called new wave retro or futureretro

Lots of nostalgic 80s TV, movie, and video game sampling.

Here's a play list for those interested:

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL52109BD7632583B2

Re: Kung Fury – a comedy funded through Kickstarter [video]

#102
post #83

For the people for who this went wooosh , can you chime in if you lived through this time period and remember the media or not? (full disclosure, I thought it hit the nostalgic feelings I have from that time almost perfectly)

I was a kid in the 80's and I thought the movie was pretty accurate.

Re: Kung Fury – a comedy funded through Kickstarter [video]

#103
post #41

Nobody in the thread has yet called it what it is: retrowave. This was a musical genre first. It wholly appropriates the aesthetics of a subset of 80's media and condenses it into a "historical fantasy" world that is easier to digest than the authentic thing. You don't enjoy retrowave for its writing or storytelling, generally speaking. Treat Kung Fury like an extended music video and it makes way more sense.

Also called new wave retro or futureretro Lots of nostalgic 80s TV, movie, and video game sampling. Here's a play list for those interested: https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL52109BD7632583B2

I've heard before this music with groups like Digitalism, Anoraak, Bestrack, GRUM, ULTRNX, etc, but I never thought it had a style name. I included it all in the NuDisco scene [1]. So thanks for the tip, plenty of groups to listen to now!

[1] https://pro.beatport.com/genre/indie-dance-nu-disco/37

Re: Kung Fury – a comedy funded through Kickstarter [video]

#104
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because they already sold the download option to the backers. People want exclusivity, and those people who have the mp4 are secretly (though not necessarily consciously) feasting on your tears of DRM-frustration because they have something you don't. This might sound cynical, but that's how people are . There was a documentary that came out last year called I Dream of Wires about analog modular synthesizers, which a…

> Because they already sold the download option to the backers. That's not reasonable. They could get more backers if DRM-free release (for everyone) was a simple part of the base goal. I.e. selling DRM-free as a perk only reduces the number of their backers. I only support those projects which have a clear DRM-free release stated in their goals. And I'm not alone. > People want exclusivity, and those people who have…

They could get more backers if DRM-free release (for everyone) was a simple part of the base goal.

I have to say, prove it. My theory is that most people don't care about DRM the same way you do, and that more people like owning something than want to make it widely accessible, based on the abundant evidence already available about their willingness to buy exclusive rewards. What do you base your assertion about the potential number of backers upon?

This sounds sick. I don't care for exclusivity, I care for art.

That's nice of you, but it's a fact that we live in a consumer society and one of the most common sales tools is to exploit the law of supply and demand by creating artificial scarcity - even by limiting the numbers of Kickstarter rewards designed to get people to donate before someone else. You can effectively solicit a higher donation level by restricting the availability of the perk, and I find it hard to blame people for exploiting a business strategy that is known to work.

In all seriousness, how much do you care for art? What $ amount would you be prepared to donate or put at risk by investing? I'm not asking this to win an argument, I'm genuinely curious about the economic value you attach to your ideological position. Would you be influenced by some combination, eg for $x you become a patron of the DRM-free copy but you also get a special T-shirt or other item that's not available to others, and if so to what degree?

And actually such kind of attitude in the project would make it feel repealing for me.

You've gotta sell what people want to buy. If you say you're going to be making the top-of-the-line quality product available as widely as possible later, then many people will reasonably ask why they should bother giving you money now. I don't think that people in the aggregate are as generous as you may be as an individual. Now, if you're quite wealthy and in a position make very generous donations that could balance out beautifully, but the basic business model of Kickstarter and similar sites is about raising lots of small donations from a crowd rather than targeting a smallish number of more substantial donors.

That's all besides the fact that Youtube doesn't have DRM.

Yeah but YouTube video quality is shit. Of course it's good by historical standards but then TVs used to be much less capable than today. Many people do not find the quality satisfactory for leisure viewing. If you watch the same video on YouTube and Vimeo (eg many people upload camera tests to both websites) you can see a substantail difference on Vimeo, and mp4 quality would be better again. I don't like watching YouTube on a television, in general. Admittedly this is more of a short-term problem, and it will all be 'good enough' soon enough, just as Netflix streaming was mediocre in quality for the first year or two but now looks fine most of the time (at least on a HDTV).

Re: Kung Fury – a comedy funded through Kickstarter [video]

#105
post #47

Slowly but surely it is becoming possible to "consume" nothing but Internet for entertainment, even if you demand video. It's still got a ways to go. But Hollywood probably ought to be more scared than it is. (Hollywood qua Hollywood isn't necessarily going anywhere, "the best" are always going to congregate somewhere, but the "current regime" is probably going to very shaken up in the next few decades.)

My son used to watch lots of TV at 4, but by 5 he basically stopped in favour of Youtube - mostly things like gameplay videos (Minecraft...). Now he's 6 and I actually can't remember the last time he watched a TV channel..

Re: Kung Fury – a comedy funded through Kickstarter [video]

#106
post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because they already sold the download option to the backers. That's not reasonable. They could get more backers if DRM-free release (for everyone) was a simple part of the base goal. I.e. selling DRM-free as a perk only reduces the number of their backers. I only support those projects which have a clear DRM-free release stated in their goals. And I'm not alone. > People want exclusivity, and those people who have…

They could get more backers if DRM-free release (for everyone) was a simple part of the base goal. I have to say, prove it. My theory is that most people don't care about DRM the same way you do, and that more people like owning something than want to make it widely accessible, based on the abundant evidence already available about their willingness to buy exclusive rewards. What do you base your assertion about the…

> My theory is that most people don't care about DRM the same way you do

It's a common practice for many crowdfunded projects to pitch for more backers by stating that release is DRM-free. You can see people commenting about it, if it's not stated (and projects clarifying this point).

Take a look at fiasco with Veronica Mars crowdfunded film which was released with DRM. Backers of the film said all they thought about this failure. Interest in DRM-free releases was expressed very clearly there. If anything, crowdfunding is a major driver in putting an end to approach of the sick-minded publishers obsessed with DRM.

> In all seriousness, how much do you care for art?

As much as I'm interested in something. If I see a project that's interesting to me, I consider supporting it on condition that it doesn't plan to use such unethical garbage as DRM in result. How much would I invest in it? That depends on the project. I don't do it out of having unlimited funds. Not at all - my funds are pretty limited. I do it because I care for those projects and without my support they are less likely to be created. I don't see how exclusivity fits into this. It doesn't mean I'm against perks - if someone wants to invest more, it's OK if they get more rewards. But DRM is not something that should be added as a distinguishing factor to anything. Because it shouldn't exist to begin with. Would you support the project which says that if you pay more, they'll give ecological wrap for you, but for the rest they'll ship the product in poisonous package?

Another reason to support some projects is to demonstrate demand. For instance, I would support games which are released for Linux (if I'm interested in them too), but won't support those which don't plan a Linux release.

For instance, Underworld Ascendant added Linux support to the base goal after getting feedback about it. As you can see, this also reduces exclusivity - it's inclusive, because more users are reached when release is cross platform. DRM-free release is similar in this sense.

Re: Kung Fury – a comedy funded through Kickstarter [video]

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post #22
post #4

This movie is amazing. Every scene is just genius :)

> Every scene is just genius I question your definition of "genius". It's a fun parody for sure. But don't make it look bigger than it really it.

Of course I was exaggerating a little bit, don't take everything so literally :) Sometimes people use word "genius" just to emphasize how much they are impressed.

Re: Kung Fury – a comedy funded through Kickstarter [video]

#108
post #47

Slowly but surely it is becoming possible to "consume" nothing but Internet for entertainment, even if you demand video. It's still got a ways to go. But Hollywood probably ought to be more scared than it is. (Hollywood qua Hollywood isn't necessarily going anywhere, "the best" are always going to congregate somewhere, but the "current regime" is probably going to very shaken up in the next few decades.)

I wrote about this a few years ago. http://rocknerd.co.uk/2012/10/08/no-film-is-not-in-unique-ne... (The kid is eight now and she still thinks it's great.)

Here’s something instructive: YouTube: A Dinosaur Story. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfdZju4J0Y4 That’s a three-hour movie done by two kids in their loungeroom with toy dinosaurs. Ridiculously low production values, make-it-up-as-we-go-along story by a couple of kids who seem to be about nine or ten. It’s genuine unintermediated young children’s folk culture, on the internet. HOLY CRAP. PUNK ROCK FOR EVERYONE.

The reason this is noteworthy: it’s one of my five-year-old’s favourite films. She’s watched her assorted Disney DVDs about half a time each, she’s watched this movie repeatedly and tells bits of it to her classmates. I boggle, but I cannot deny the observation that they’re doing something right that Disney isn’t, on a budget of zero.

She was also incredibly excited when she saw YouTube videos of kids making Thomas the Tank Engine fan videos using wooden railways just like hers. “They’re making their own stories!” (Example. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg1cUl9rd9g Of course it’s rubbish. That’s not the point.) The powerful drive for a culture of your own starts early.

The recording industry used to try to justify not being taken out and shot by claiming blockbusterism was necessary to music, which was of course just a lie. Bands can (and do) now do albums with a microphone and a laptop. Microphone optional. Record at home, put it up on Bandcamp, the physical barrier to recording and distribution is gone. I remember the eighties, and just how bloody hard it was even to record, let alone distribute the result. Sure, the studio result is better, but that’s optional now. For getting the damn song out of your head and into the world, convenience beats quality every time the two are head-to-head.

Culture is everything humans do to impress each other, and it’s diseased unless it’s owned by all of us. The arrangement where you have creators here and consumers here and never the twain shall meet is a twentieth-century perversion we are well rid of.

Re: Kung Fury – a comedy funded through Kickstarter [video]

#109
post #60

Watching this last night made me feel old. I just don't get it. The ridiculousness and therefore the comedy seems to exist for the sake of being ridiculous. It isn't grounded in anything. That makes it lose it appeal very quickly for me. It reminds me of some of the old SNL movies. It takes a premise that was fun, funny, and interesting and stretches it into something that can't sustain itself. Different strokes I gu…

You need to be older. I'm 48 and I thought it was hilarious because I could spot everything.

Re: Kung Fury – a comedy funded through Kickstarter [video]

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post #87
post #47

Slowly but surely it is becoming possible to "consume" nothing but Internet for entertainment, even if you demand video. It's still got a ways to go. But Hollywood probably ought to be more scared than it is. (Hollywood qua Hollywood isn't necessarily going anywhere, "the best" are always going to congregate somewhere, but the "current regime" is probably going to very shaken up in the next few decades.)

Yeah absolutely, I had some amazing highly personalized collections of youtube channels on different subjects that I could watch instead of TV pretty much 24 hours a day. Google killed off collections the other day because it makes the viewing experience "better" or some stupid garbage that nobody will ever be able to explain and will certainly be replaced by a worse answer at some point. But for a couple years I bas…

If something is nice Google either kills it or makes it not nice.
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