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Creationism Banned from Science Classes by Scottish Government

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Re: Creationism Banned from Science Classes by Scottish Government

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Now we just need the rest of the world to follow suit.

Is that really a thing in the rest of the world? I thought it was mostly the US, and even there mostly the homeschooling thing.

Essentially many islamic countries that apply Sharia teaches creationism.

Re: Creationism Banned from Science Classes by Scottish Government

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that really a thing in the rest of the world? I thought it was mostly the US, and even there mostly the homeschooling thing.

Not so much homeschooling specifically as Christian, mostly Protestant, political conservatives (often theologically fundamentalist, but not exclusively). Sometimes they also homesick as a reaction to content in public schools, but in many places in the US they've been fairly successful in dominating school authorities at the local and even state level and directing the curriculum. But American religious/political ac…

In the SE US it's also common to find a lot of (non-Catholic [0]) Christian schools where this is prominent as well. I haven't, in recent years, spent enough time in any other US regions to know if they're similarly common elsewhere. It seems like a new one pops up every year or two in this county.

[0] I make this distinction because, IME, Catholic schools are generally better about separating science and religion courses. There are still more fundamentalist Catholics, but the Church (and thus most of the schools) has pulled away from that over the years.

Re: Creationism Banned from Science Classes by Scottish Government

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that really a thing in the rest of the world? I thought it was mostly the US, and even there mostly the homeschooling thing.

To be clear, despite the current story, it's not really a thing in Scotland or the UK either. I think this was prompted by some American faith groups getting involved in some schools in Scotland. The reason they weren't previously banned is because no-one thought it would come up.

This is interesting. I would have thought this was one of the factors dragging down math and science test scores in many western countries. The latest OECD rankings of 15 year olds in math and science put the UK at 20th and US at 28th. Seems pretty poor considering a country like Vietnam which was ravaged by war only a generation ago ranks 12th.

FYI Top 10 [1]: 1.Singapore 2.Hong Kong 3.South Korea 4.Japan (joint) 5.Taiwan (joint) 6.Finland 7.Estonia 8.Switzerland 9.Netherlands 10.Canada

[1]http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/singapore-tops...

Re: Creationism Banned from Science Classes by Scottish Government

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I'm divided on these sorts of things (I didn't used to be). Sure science classes shouldn't be teaching religion, but having governments decide what's an approved view for its population is bothersome. People should be allowed to make mistakes and when the parents realise that their kids are at a disadvantage then the parents should learn to gather together and fix it themselves. Encourage people to be active in their community rather than sitting back and expecting someone from the top to take the initiative.

Re: Creationism Banned from Science Classes by Scottish Government

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I'm divided on these sorts of things (I didn't used to be). Sure science classes shouldn't be teaching religion, but having governments decide what's an approved view for its population is bothersome. People should be allowed to make mistakes and when the parents realise that their kids are at a disadvantage then the parents should learn to gather together and fix it themselves. Encourage people to be active in their…

What happens to the kids whose parents won't provide any leadership or input?

Re: Creationism Banned from Science Classes by Scottish Government

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Now we just need the rest of the world to follow suit.

Is that really a thing in the rest of the world? I thought it was mostly the US, and even there mostly the homeschooling thing.

Creationism is a huge thing in the USA. At the state and local levels, where elementary and high school curriculum is mostly decided, there are fights over it all the time. Evolution is enough of a hot-button-issue that it's mostly glossed over in public schools, to the detriment of biology classes. People set up charter schools all the time in order to teach creationism outright.

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I find it funny and sad that in 21st century we still have to explicitly prohibit such thing. Up next -- "Tooth faery theory banned from dental schools".

It was not banned. It was never permitted in the first place, or more accurately, the issue was never even raised before this. A special interest group asked the government to ban it, the government answered that of course it's not allowed in science class as it's not science, there's nothong that has to be done, the group decided to interpret the matter-of-factly reply as "banning". There was no administrative action involved.

Re: Creationism Banned from Science Classes by Scottish Government

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Most of the UK and Ireland are arguably secular (but not technically) with most people holding reasonable scientifically literate beliefs.

Northern Ireland however is the last bastion of open religious bigotry and nonsense in the UK. Classic example. Republic of Ireland passed a Gay Marriage referendum last week while at the same time in NI a confectionary baker "Ashers" in Northern Ireland refused to serve a gay man who requested a cake that had support for gay marriage iced on the cake. The controversy showed that many in NI are at worst openly hostile or at best completely indifferent to gay people. This kind of attitude is carried in to classrooms in NI as well.

I support this move by Scotland but Northern Ireland has some crazy creationists nonsense still happening and these kind of measures are need much more in NI than the rest of the UK.

Re: Creationism Banned from Science Classes by Scottish Government

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I'm divided on these sorts of things (I didn't used to be). Sure science classes shouldn't be teaching religion, but having governments decide what's an approved view for its population is bothersome. People should be allowed to make mistakes and when the parents realise that their kids are at a disadvantage then the parents should learn to gather together and fix it themselves. Encourage people to be active in their…

Kids do get taught about religion in Scottish schools in Religious, Moral and Philosophical Studies - where they can learn about lots of different religions and their different beliefs. My son has just done this course at National 5 and found it very interesting and he's not in the slightest bit religious:

http://www.sqa.org.uk/sqa/47421.html

[Edit: I got Standard Grades and National 5s mixed up!]

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