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When will we stop using Facebook?

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Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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I keep thinking about deleting my facebook but a few days ago I went back a few years to figure out what I needed to do to drag myself out of a horrible depression I've put myself in the past few years and I found the exact thing I needed and all I could think was, I could never delete this if it was this important to me. I feel chained to the website in a way, I've had it for 6 years and quite a bit of important social interactions are hidden in between things that don't matter that I might never find again and completely forget that part of my life.

Is there any way I can separate myself from the website without losing these things that I might need later in life at some point? I'm really wanting to just delete it but the history makes it important to me.

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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My wife cut off FB 2 years ago but I still use it mostly like a forum. Locally we have a group of 50ish gamers (Warhammer, 40k, Warmachine, etc) and this is the primary way games / tournaments / campaigns are set up. Even a trading area since gamer nerds are apt to constantly buy and trade their toys. What's funny is we've had to convince our younger members to even sign up so we could communicate with them. Anyone y…

Sounds like a job for Slack.

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I hate Facebook, but I don't plan to stop using it anytime soon. Well - I don't hate everything about it, but I hate everything they're trying to do, so I agree with this article. But "hate"ing a company is odd, so I guess I really mean "I want to have nothing to do with". I'll switch when there's a dominating replacement. All I want, for the rest of my life, is: - a way to see updates from friends and acquaintances…

In other words - the Internet. You don't need to do all those things in a single place, or even in multiple places, but all owned by the same company. The fact that people want to use Instagram, Vine, Snapchat and Whatsapp is proof many people don't want a single service for everything. It's just unfortunate that Facebook happens to have acquired many of those.

I really want to be able to do PARTS of these apps all in one place. They can keep their individual responsibilities after that.

To be a bit dramatic, I get frustrated whenever:

- I have to choose between identity platforms to sign up for a site. I wouldn't be sad if there was an option (e) that was open source, transparent, not planning to monetize me, and easy to integrate with lots of various apps and services.

- I have to come up with credentials to a new website

- I have to remember what apps and services I've signed up for

- I have to save data on two different distributed file systems that don't interop.

- I have to connect with the same person on two different platforms. Or, I have to decide how much of my life I want a person to be able to see on two different platforms.

- I have to figure out if I'm okay with the privacy and security of various platforms on which I have an identity.

- I have to fill out a form with data I've already given to a service on the web.

- I discover that a friend uses a service I also use and I just wasn't aware of it.

- I have to choose between text, email, snapchat, FB message, gchat, Skype, Whatsapp, Twitter, LinkedIn, or Instagram based on what (I've memorized) a particular friend or colleague uses.

I don't mind the different services doing different things. Users do want to use Instagram for Instagram things and SnapChat for SnapChat things. I just don't like the part where they're all mostly standalone but solving the same problems over and over and forcing me to jump through the same hoops over and over for no benefit. But I don't trust any existing system to aggregate these responsibilities either. I barely and reluctantly trust Google/FB/Twitter enough to use them for identity services across multiple sites, just because the alternative is so painful that I have to.

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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I still have FB but I never use it unless I'm tagged or messaged on it. I use it primarily as a massive rolodex but I never read my news feed except for on accident if I log in to read a message or notification. I tweet some and those are auto-pushed to FB so it kind of looks like I'm active (that was not the goal, just a side-effect). I've got way too many friends that use FB to plan events and the like to leave it anytime soon.

I don't hold it against you if you don't have a FB but I'm also not going to feel back if you miss out on an event because you were harder to reach. I find the vast majority of FB-Defectors to be insufferable to listen to when they talk about how they aren't on FB (seriously, they fucking talk about FB MORE than the people ON FB!) and when they whine about a group of us talking on FB (therefore leaving them out) I just ignore them. I don't like FB and the reach it has into our lives but I'm not about to cut off my nose to spite my face by deleting my FB. There are plenty of ways to use FB without letting it use you IMHO and people who just flat out quit are too lazy to do so (Sign up for an account, don't add any info, turn off all location stuff, block the FB widget so it can't track you one sites, etc...).

What I really want is identity provider and FB gives that to me today (along with "first party" chat, messaging, photos, etc). Ideally I would have something like OAuth (but not OAuth) and all my friends could pick a messaging platform that supported it but right now nothing like that exists and/or the UI/UX is so terrible I'd never get my friends to switch.

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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Similar situation here. Frustrating as it is, it's The Right Thing to do. It's a shame that some people assume you're disinterested, but then don't return emails/calls. I heard about an old Norwegian guy who had always made short calls to friends and family throughout his life and that those people appreciated that. That's more the direction I'd rather go in over the passive friend-surveillance that has crept in. I'd…

I would like to follow your lead, but in some ways it feels selfish of me and thats why I stick around on FB. I live quite some distance from my family and it is the easiest way to share photos of my family with all of them without requiring them to all get a new account somewhere else. Are there better more private solutions that are still very convenient for everyone from my 15 year old niece to my 80 year old gran…

Maybe a bit out of left field, but I'm using Telegram (that open source messenger app) to share pictures with family. It was on a whim; once when I was at my parents place, I just set up Telegram desktop on both their PC's, the app on their tablet and on my mother's smartphone (dad has this thing with big buttons).

Now we have a group chat together with my partner (would've also added siblings if I had them) and share pictures and simple things. Everything syncs on all devices, my father who needs a big screen follows mostly on his PC and puts their pictures on from there, my mother uses her android phone.

Works better and surprisingly much more intimate than anything before, and everyone participates.

Of course, people around me have been having whatsapp groups among peers, but there's something about the telegram desktop clients' easy sharing of images and links that I started to realize recently 'just works'.

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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I stopped two years ago. As far as I am aware I'm not missing much. I did have a lot of old friends on FB, but I didn't stay in contact with them in real life. I was just lazily snooping on their lives, without giving anything in return. To be completely honest, I don't have space or time for them in my real life. It isn't because I didn't like them anymore, it was simply that I didn't have the time or energy to stay…

I also stopped using Facebook, shortly before the revelations of massive surveillance. At that time I was convinced I shouldn't be in the arms of companies, stopped using many services and started self-hosting stuff. People didn't understand me. Then, Edward Snowden revealed that the possible abstract threats I wanted to avoid can in fact become real. We are fortunate to have received this information. People still d…

I would value some detail about how you go about self-hosting.

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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> Why should you post life updates? Because it's the "done thing". No - it's because you've done something you think your friends would be interested in and it's a lot easier to take a photo and click 'post to Facebook' than to write to 30 people. That's really the fundamental function of Facebook and any successor will probably succeed by doing it better in some way. eg. Snapchat enabling you to send naughty pics wi…

> eg. Snapchat enabling you to send naughty pics without them being archived on the web for the rest of your life You should read more. http://www.prdaily.com/Main/Articles/Snapchat_admits_deleted...

I didn't know that - not a Snapchat user. That could be interesting if it gets hacked.

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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ITT: people with no kids. Facebook is indispensable for sharing baby pictures with extended family.

I have a 3 year old and he has no photo (that I know of) in facebook. Both me and my wife don't post anything online (also don't have FB) and if I find any family member/friend posting a picture of my son online, they will have picture taking permissions revoked. Also, there are a lot of people like us where I live.

What's your aim in doing this? For what reason?

Surely your family and acquaintances and people in the street are free - depending where you live (?) - to take pictures. So you're going to have to police all of those images in perpetuity to prevent images from appearing online. The likelihood is that when they're a teenager they'll put their lives online themselves in some way ... so?

If your child goes on a playdate or attends a nursery or goes to a public location then there's a good chance (at least in the UK) that they'll appear on Facebook no matter how many "I do not consent for my child to appear in photographs" statements you sign. Once they appear in the background of images then in the not too distant future face recognition is likely to be good enough to trawl the net for images of them. I think what you'll find is that the images are all one's you haven't curated whereas if you were adding your own images (no matter if it's only a few) then you at least have some control over the general presentation of images.

Re: When will we stop using Facebook?

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I stopped two years ago. As far as I am aware I'm not missing much. I did have a lot of old friends on FB, but I didn't stay in contact with them in real life. I was just lazily snooping on their lives, without giving anything in return. To be completely honest, I don't have space or time for them in my real life. It isn't because I didn't like them anymore, it was simply that I didn't have the time or energy to stay…

It doesn't take a lot of effort to maintain contact with people that are important in our life today. The relationships that are important to us need to be nurtured, not followed. Facebook has created this (inadvertent) anti-social follow use case, and I think a lot of people have fallen into it.

Any of my more "important" relationships are maintained via frequent text messages and less frequent phone calls. For me, Facebook is rarely used for keeping in touch and mostly for its group features. Otherwise its just old acquaintances from yesteryear who'd I don't necessarily care to keep up with anyway. In fact, if it wasn't so painstakingly tedious to delete large numbers of "friends" on there i'd probably only have about 50.
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