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Re: My Experience in Tech and Its Reflection on Women in Tech in India

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Post by lake99 » Thu, May 28, 2015, 4:13 PM UTC

yummyfajitas wrote: post #47

jsudhams wrote: post #36

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"whereas in India it's "meh, he just grabbed my ass and walked off, no biggie". Seriously that is only upper class and only happen in upper class places. Believe me if that happens in an area where middle class is there the guy who did that will get public merciless beating. Any of my know circles will surely slap the guy in the same place. I think in India domestic violence is the huge thing for girls. Still not eve…

I'm not sure how plausible I find this. The (admittedly self-serving) perception within Delhi is that most of the bad stuff happening there is done by villagers from Bihar and UP, not by native Delhiites. Most of the big city cases that I've read about (e.g., Uber rape case, 2012 gang rape) do fit that perception. So it would surprise me if things were somehow better in Bihar than in Delhi.

You're right. It seems that jsudhams is exhibiting a kind if ingroup bias. People of lower classes can believe that the upper classes use their wealth to strongarm people, and people of upper classes can believe that the lower class people have less to lose, and have easy links to gangs, so they can get away with criminal behaviour. Of course, it's all bull until it gets backed by data.

jsudhams wrote "Any of my know circles will surely slap the guy in the same place." But you know, this is true across all sectors of Indian society. Indians are generally rather prone to violence.

Re: My Experience in Tech and Its Reflection on Women in Tech in India

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Post by machinshin_ » Thu, May 28, 2015, 5:37 PM UTC

DanBC wrote: post #41

dijit wrote: post #38

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Insurance costs are taken from crime statistics and insurance claims. Nobody I know has insurance. the problem is that this data is completely off-radar. The Coventry people are incredibly insular and untrusting. The idea is that you are either alone, or with your community- if you're community rejects you because you don't like their kids putting rotting fish in your letter box (for example) then you're on your own.…

You keep saying that Coventry is riddled with crime, but you have nothing but feels to support you. It's not persuasive, especially in the face of reported police stats; of the British Crime Survey; of insirance prices; of house prices; of murder rates; there's nothing anywhere that supports your outlandish claim.

what you're saying is "I want stats that prove that that statistics of Coventry is going unreported". what kinda non-anecdotal proof would you like? the OP's point is that the the stats are a lie, cause most crime is unreported.

Re: My Experience in Tech and Its Reflection on Women in Tech in India

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Post by DanBC » Fri, May 29, 2015, 8:30 AM UTC

machinshin_ wrote: post #52

DanBC wrote: post #41

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You keep saying that Coventry is riddled with crime, but you have nothing but feels to support you. It's not persuasive, especially in the face of reported police stats; of the British Crime Survey; of insirance prices; of house prices; of murder rates; there's nothing anywhere that supports your outlandish claim.

what you're saying is "I want stats that prove that that statistics of Coventry is going unreported". what kinda non-anecdotal proof would you like? the OP's point is that the the stats are a lie, cause most crime is unreported.

OP isn't just saying that crime is unreported. Because if all crime everywhere is unreported we can still compare Coventry with other towns, and when we do that we see that coventry has a lower than average crime rate. OP is claiming that Coventry is unique in having under reported crime and that everywhere else is accurate.

But not only that. There are other statistics - the british crime survey - (and these are robust statistics) that do not rely on crime reported to police. And OP is again claiming that Coventry is unique in reporting very low rates of crime while everywhere else reports accurate rates of crime.

But even if we assume that's true - that Coventry is unique in reporting and surveying low rates of crime while everywhere else is accurate - there are other indicators of crime. We'd expect to see higher rates for car insurace, and we don't. We'd expect to see higher rates of home contents insurance, and we don't.

OP is subject to a pretty obvious confirmation bias. "I had my bicycles stolen, and this i know Coventry is high in crime", and now they reject anything that points the other way. When you ask OP about the evidence they just come back with anecdote, when you show OP anything that contradicts that they say it's wrong (not just wrong, but wrong in very particular ways).

Re: My Experience in Tech and Its Reflection on Women in Tech in India

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Post by DanBC » Fri, May 29, 2015, 8:35 AM UTC

dijit wrote: post #50

DanBC wrote: post #41

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You keep saying that Coventry is riddled with crime, but you have nothing but feels to support you. It's not persuasive, especially in the face of reported police stats; of the British Crime Survey; of insirance prices; of house prices; of murder rates; there's nothing anywhere that supports your outlandish claim.

Which is my point entirely. "Unreported crime" is "no crime" to you, the government or anyone else. I -KNOW- this is reality, it's plainer to me than that water is wet and the fact that evidence doesn't exist for it is _precisely_ what I'm saying. (and actually house prices are cheaper in Coventry than anywhere else in the west midlands) http://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detail.html?country=... [Coventry, terra…

The british crime survey does not use police reported crime! Those numbers are entirely separate from police reported crime.

Your last link makes you case much weaker, not stronger. Do you understand that? There's probably not much point carrying on if you don't.