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Re: Ask HN: Those who hired bootcamp graduates, would you hire them again?

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I'm a graduate from a bootcamp, and I can quite confidently say my company would hire again. I've been there almost a year and feel as if I contribute a significant amount to the team. Feel free to ama

What was your programming experience like before the bootcamp, and then after it? What sort of depth did you learn to?

Would you feel confident in starting a job at a company that used a language you don't already know?

Re: Ask HN: Those who hired bootcamp graduates, would you hire them again?

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I'm also interested in this question, not because of the issue of saturation, but more because I am skeptical that a bootcamp that lasts ~12 weeks could teach someone enough to be a professional software developer.

I can respond as both a graduate and as someone who was later involved in hiring bootcamp graduates. About two years ago, I entered into the first Code Fellows JavaScript bootcamp. The course lasted 8 weeks and I was offered a job at around week 6, which I accepted. Most of my time has been spent on loan to a Fortune 100 company. I entered into the program with technical experience in a non-development role and some hobbyist development experience. However, I never viewed my course at Code Fellows as the source of everything I would need to know. Instead, it was about three things: motivation, resources, and credibility.

Everything I learned in class, I could have taught myself. However, working with others and having built-in schedules and accountability helped me learn what I may never have followed through on alone. Also, being guided toward achievable milestones is immensely valuable. In those ways and others, the course helped maintain my motivation. And, as inevitably happens when learning something completely new, I encountered some hurdles. Usually, it was worth working through those problems myself. But there were one or two that I encountered that stymied me, and might've killed my momentum. Having access to fellow students as well as the instructors was invaluable in those times, and allowed me to continue learning.

Most importantly for me, the course gave me some level of credibility. I had an atypical background and, while development was something that interested me, I didn't see my resume getting any traction. Code Fellows gave me an in, and allowed me to show what I was capable of - that is ultimately what got me hired and has brought me success since. Since being hired, my salary has almost doubled and I have risen from an entry-level position to an architecting role in one of our top teams. If that sounds unlikely, I've had trouble accepting it myself. All it has shown me is that there are ample opportunities for capable people who are willing to put in hard work.

Finally, hiring. It is difficult to find good developers for entry positions. It isn't that hard to find experienced developers, if you're willing and able to pay. But new devs are difficult to sift through. Many look good on paper - maybe they left a good impression at a meetup, or their GitHub profile looks solid, etc. However, it is amazing how many of those people really are... not a good fit. Bootcamps have helped us to weed out those we aren't interested in, and given us a slate of candidates that have a much better chance of working out.

Re: Ask HN: Those who hired bootcamp graduates, would you hire them again?

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The problem with this question is that there are probably a long list of attributes which are much more important than technical skills. The bootcamps largely only address the technical skills. They can't turn you into "great to work with" or "smells nice."

Edit: So, you can't say that a candidate is a good or bad hire based on which bootcamp they attended.

Re: Ask HN: Those who hired bootcamp graduates, would you hire them again?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose it would teach them the bare minimum to where they'd be at a teachable state on the job and potentially contributing soon thereafter, but yeah, it has to be pretty rough for both parties.

I think it probably depends massively on the skills and experience of the person attending the bootcamp. If the extent of their technical skills is being able to make a good-looking Powerpoint, then I'd be astonished if 12 weeks were enough to make them even minimally employable (unless they really are some kind of eidetic wunderkind); if, however, they had a hobbyist's knowledge of - let's say - a few web technologi…

This is the thing. I could imagine hiring a person with a basic knowledge in that set of stuff to work on a typical startup Rail app. Great.

But if the company decided that they needed a new component that would be a standalone Java service (or whatever), I a) wouldn't feel confident that the person would be able to pick up Java in a reasonable amount of time, and b) wouldn't trust them to structure the application in a good way, as they just don't have the experience building real things.

Re: Ask HN: Those who hired bootcamp graduates, would you hire them again?

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I'm also interested in this question, not because of the issue of saturation, but more because I am skeptical that a bootcamp that lasts ~12 weeks could teach someone enough to be a professional software developer.

I felt that in my CS degree program I didn't really learn a lot that set me up to be a professional software developer either. It made me do some coding and learn some algorithms, and gave very basic familiarity with how computers work, but that's about it. The coding projects were, in hindsight, pretty pathetic compared to what I can do now. I wish the program had forced us (or tricked us) into becoming more mature…

I guess the best students of your program managed to find something they liked a lot (like machine learning, compilers, embedded, etc.) and got specialized in it, while the majority of the students just followed along somewhat passively - I don't mean to be condescending, it's sort of to what happened to me as well, and still now I regret not to have taken more time to think of what I wanted to do and pick my courses more carefully.

Re: Ask HN: Those who hired bootcamp graduates, would you hire them again?

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I'm a graduate from a bootcamp, and I can quite confidently say my company would hire again. I've been there almost a year and feel as if I contribute a significant amount to the team. Feel free to ama

What was your programming experience like before the bootcamp, and then after it? What sort of depth did you learn to? Would you feel confident in starting a job at a company that used a language you don't already know?

Before the bootcamp, I new basic HTML and CSS. I'm now working as a rails dev, with lots of work in JavaScript too. That would entirely depend on the company and the language. So I guess that says something. I wouldn't feel confident in a company that mainly uses functional languages, as I'm mainly used to OO principals. In saying that, it's not something I wouldn't want to learn

Re: Ask HN: Those who hired bootcamp graduates, would you hire them again?

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I'm a graduate from a bootcamp, and I can quite confidently say my company would hire again. I've been there almost a year and feel as if I contribute a significant amount to the team. Feel free to ama

what is the specifics of the job you have (front end, back end, etc)? What languages do you use? How long/intense was the bootcamp? If you could talk about your salary that would be great but of course I'd totally get it if you chose not to answer this one.

Re: Ask HN: Those who hired bootcamp graduates, would you hire them again?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was your programming experience like before the bootcamp, and then after it? What sort of depth did you learn to? Would you feel confident in starting a job at a company that used a language you don't already know?

Before the bootcamp, I new basic HTML and CSS. I'm now working as a rails dev, with lots of work in JavaScript too. That would entirely depend on the company and the language. So I guess that says something. I wouldn't feel confident in a company that mainly uses functional languages, as I'm mainly used to OO principals. In saying that, it's not something I wouldn't want to learn

thanks, that mostly answers my questions as well but if you want to address them too, feel free :)

Re: Ask HN: Those who hired bootcamp graduates, would you hire them again?

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Hired a guy who took himself halfway around the world to crash-course in dev for 3 months after graduating a science degree.

Absolutely would hire again. Not just because he's damned skilled for a "junior" but the commitment to give up everything and haul ass across the world says something that coding literacy can't.

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