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Re: Hola VPN turns 10M users into exit nodes

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Post by zxcvcxz »

krapp wrote: post #69
zxcvcxz wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeing as zodiakzz seems to be completely against free speech I wouldn't be surprised if he/she equates homosexuality with pedophilia. It seems to always be the people who crusade against pedofiles who end up being the child abusers. (see how easy it is to make unfounded assumptions about people?)

I see nothing in zodiakzz's comments which suggests that they are 'completely against free speech,' and your personal attacks are completely out of line and against the culture and terms of Hacker News. It's all well and good to dispute their sources, but at least they brought sources to dispute.

zodiakzz is the one who engaged in personal attacks against the founder of 8chan to begin with. I'm simply giving him a taste of his own medicine.

My post highlights how easy it is to make unfounded assumptions about people on the internet.

Thanks for helping me prove my point.

Edit: oh and btw, zodiakzz did post a link to forum specifically for gay men as "proof" of 8chan hosting pedophilic content, so it's not much of a stretch to believe he lumps homosexuals in the same group as pedophiles.

Re: Hola VPN turns 10M users into exit nodes

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Post by MandingoSauce »

chx wrote: post #52

Isn't 8chan that enabled gamergate to continue? If so, anything bad happened to your site is actually beneficial.

Reddit enables gamergate to exist, twitter also enables gamergate to exist. Any platform that exist as a platform for communication can enable gamergate to exist. So should all these technologies have bad things happen to them because having bad things happen to them would be beneficial in terms of silencing gamergate?

Re: Hola VPN turns 10M users into exit nodes

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Post by [deleted] »

NeutronBoy wrote: post #15
bifrost wrote: post #2

This is basically why you never want to use a proprietary client with any VPN service, you don't know what you're getting into at all. At least with PPtP/L2TP/OpenVPN based services you can use well known clients or OS vendor provided clients that are unlikely to have little goodies like this.

Hola explicitly say this is why they're able to offer the service for free http://hola.org/faq#in_how_is_free dchuk beat me to it!

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Re: Hola VPN turns 10M users into exit nodes

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Post by qts_wwa »

krapp wrote: post #69
zxcvcxz wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeing as zodiakzz seems to be completely against free speech I wouldn't be surprised if he/she equates homosexuality with pedophilia. It seems to always be the people who crusade against pedofiles who end up being the child abusers. (see how easy it is to make unfounded assumptions about people?)

I see nothing in zodiakzz's comments which suggests that they are 'completely against free speech,' and your personal attacks are completely out of line and against the culture and terms of Hacker News. It's all well and good to dispute their sources, but at least they brought sources to dispute.

zxcvcxz could have been a bit more civil about it, but "You seem rather high on the moral horse for someone hosting child/underage porn." is a kind of personal attack as well. You're right about "stooping to their level," though; it would have been better if zxcvcz had made their intent clear with an addition like "see how easy it is to make uncharitable assumptions about people?" in the original post.

And while zodiakzz may not have made any explicit statements about wanting to enforce limits on freedom of speech, it's a fairly safe assumption to make of the kind of people that feel the need to follow Fredrick around all over the internet, posting uninformed slander, reporting him to payment and crowdfunding services, and/or (topically) using botnets to DDoS his site. Hint: They don't care about similar or worse content being hosted on other user generated content sites, it's all about getting back at him for providing hosting to maligned groups like GamerGate, and killing intelligent discussion or attempts at reconciliation before they can happen by derailing threads.

Re: Hola VPN turns 10M users into exit nodes

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Post by krapp »

zxcvcxz wrote: post #71
krapp wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see nothing in zodiakzz's comments which suggests that they are 'completely against free speech,' and your personal attacks are completely out of line and against the culture and terms of Hacker News. It's all well and good to dispute their sources, but at least they brought sources to dispute.

zodiakzz is the one who engaged in personal attacks against the founder of 8chan to begin with. I'm simply giving him a taste of his own medicine. My post highlights how easy it is to make unfounded assumptions about people on the internet. Thanks for helping me prove my point. Edit: oh and btw, zodiakzz did post a link to forum specifically for gay men as "proof" of 8chan hosting pedophilic content, so it's not much…

Proving you're willing to stoop to their level doesn't prove them wrong, though. All it does it get a potentially interesting thread flagged into oblivion.

Re: Hola VPN turns 10M users into exit nodes

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Post by zxcvcxz »

krapp wrote: post #75
zxcvcxz wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

zodiakzz is the one who engaged in personal attacks against the founder of 8chan to begin with. I'm simply giving him a taste of his own medicine. My post highlights how easy it is to make unfounded assumptions about people on the internet. Thanks for helping me prove my point. Edit: oh and btw, zodiakzz did post a link to forum specifically for gay men as "proof" of 8chan hosting pedophilic content, so it's not much…

Proving you're willing to stoop to their level doesn't prove them wrong, though. All it does it get a potentially interesting thread flagged into oblivion.

I was not trying to "prove them wrong", just highlight the absurdity. I guess I should have made it more clear in my original post. I'm sorry. I let my "smart ass" side get the best of me.

Re: Hola VPN turns 10M users into exit nodes

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Post by albedoa »

zxcvcxz wrote: post #55
chx wrote: post #52

Isn't 8chan that enabled gamergate to continue? If so, anything bad happened to your site is actually beneficial.

Explain what is wrong with gamergate. I don't game so I don't know. Seems to me reddit is the site you should be hating. Edit: Actually after thinking it over, it's free speech you should be against. It really sucks when sites host opinions you don't agree with doesn't it? I googled gamer gate and they seem to be against people exactly like you: People who want to shut down other peoples opinions that they don't agre…

I googled gamer gate and they seem to be against people exactly like you

Incredible that you just learned about GamerGate and are already an expert.

Oh wait: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9394472

And More: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9394708

Heh: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9556077

Re: Hola VPN turns 10M users into exit nodes

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Post by kuschku »

8chan wrote: post #38
tombozi wrote: post #30

What if a node messes with the response and returns fake data? Do they route the request over multiple nodes and compare the results? Then what if someone owns a lot of nodes?

Hola's browser extension is proprietary. A friend of mine has been considering reverse engineering it but is not sure of the laws.

If they are in the EU – great, the right to learn covers the right to take apart, understand, reassemble, and remix any technology that you have a license to use and where, during the process, the original owner has no material losses.

So, if he’s in the EU, he can do it. (IANAL, but this was the conclusio of an EUGH decision). Otherwise it gets harder.

Re: Hola VPN turns 10M users into exit nodes

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Post by zxcvcxz »

albedoa wrote: post #77
zxcvcxz wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Explain what is wrong with gamergate. I don't game so I don't know. Seems to me reddit is the site you should be hating. Edit: Actually after thinking it over, it's free speech you should be against. It really sucks when sites host opinions you don't agree with doesn't it? I googled gamer gate and they seem to be against people exactly like you: People who want to shut down other peoples opinions that they don't agre…

I googled gamer gate and they seem to be against people exactly like you Incredible that you just learned about GamerGate and are already an expert. Oh wait: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9394472 And More: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9394708 Heh: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9556077

So are you saying SJWs have something to do with the gamergate thing?

Re: Hola VPN turns 10M users into exit nodes

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Post by ajdlinux »

Anyone like to recommend a browser-extension-based VPN tool that's a bit more respectful than Hola and is relatively cheap?

(Of course I run my own VPN server using OpenVPN, but Hola is really convenient when I'm only trying to get an American IP to avoid Australian geoblocking - it's also easy for non-technical friends to use.)

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