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My first job burnout

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Re: My first job burnout

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Post by wobbleblob »

dalke wrote: post #20
wobbleblob wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People get burned out because something in their life is causing them too much stress for too long a period. It might be the employer's fault, or it might be the combination of a perfectly fine 9 to 5 job with a bad social situation at home or a health problem. I'm not advocating trying to ignore it, but putting it out on the internet in a way that it's the first thing a potential employer will see when they google y…

Your first paragraph now is aligned with my own statement, which is either that it's deliberate or accidental overwork. My conclusion was that people need to be able to recognize that there's a problem (either in themselves, co-workers, or employees) and be able to talk about it. Your point is that people should keep this sort of issue hush-hush. It is in that where we disagree. While it may be best for someone, depe…

> Your first paragraph now is aligned with my own statement, which is either that it's deliberate or accidental overwork.

No, your posts imply that burnout is entirely work related.

> Your point is that people should keep this sort of issue hush-hush.

You missed the "in any way that can be traced back to your real name" part. Posting a story like this under your full name, with a picture of your face, can have consequences that make things a lot worse. The same can be said of a lot of things people post on the internet, including this discussion.

Re: My first job burnout

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Post by d4nt »

Joe8Bit wrote: post #16
wobbleblob wrote: post #8

I don't mean to be a jerk or anything, but a burnout is something you better not blog about or write about on facebook or speak about in any way that can be traced back to your real name, if you ever want to find another job again. Potential employers will google the names of applicants before an interview, and if the first thing that comes up is your name and photo on a story about your first job burnout, you're goi…

I couldn't disagree more. I would fit into the 'potential employers' part of your comment, having hired In fact, I would prefer a candidate who knows their limits and is obviously willing to communicate them. I would view a person who would publicly talk about a subject that few others in their position do as someone I would want on my team, as I would view them as more likely to not only push when their workload/lif…

Unfortunately, there are still many bosses who would be put off by a mental health issue in someones past though.

In a former role, I interviewed a candidate who cited burnout as one of the reasons for a career change a few years earlier. After the interview my boss (who was in the interview) made a big thing about how that put him off. I think it was his main reason for rejecting the candidate.

It is important we do talk about these issues though. At the time I did not feel able to say "that's not ok" to my boss in the same way that I might if he had been put off by the candidate's sexuality. I should have.

Re: My first job burnout

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Post by wobbleblob »

arsenide wrote: post #18
wobbleblob wrote: post #8

I don't mean to be a jerk or anything, but a burnout is something you better not blog about or write about on facebook or speak about in any way that can be traced back to your real name, if you ever want to find another job again. Potential employers will google the names of applicants before an interview, and if the first thing that comes up is your name and photo on a story about your first job burnout, you're goi…

If you were interviewing for such a position and came across this candidate, would they have a "very difficult interview?" How would you treat them differently, and why is that okay?

I'm not interviewing people, I'm someone with a suspicious hole in their CV that they still have to try to justify in every interview over 15 years later.

Re: My first job burnout

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Post by Jedd »

wobbleblob wrote: post #13
dalke wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, no, a thousand times no. Not talking about things like this, keeping it secret, or (as you just did) encouraging a social prohibition on hiding this information is what leads to a burnout culture. It's the same social taboo that prevents people from talking about their suicidal tendencies, even if talking about it can lead to help. And in a weaker sense, it's similar to the taboo in many private companies in the…

People get burned out because something in their life is causing them too much stress for too long a period. It might be the employer's fault, or it might be the combination of a perfectly fine 9 to 5 job with a bad social situation at home or a health problem. I'm not advocating trying to ignore it, but putting it out on the internet in a way that it's the first thing a potential employer will see when they google y…

You keep using the phrase 'perfectly fine 9 to 5 job' .. as though that's a perfectly fine thing.

Re: My first job burnout

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Post by lloeki »

ice303 wrote: post #9
donatj wrote: post #7

God that sounds like the rut I am in.

Happened to me a couple months ago. Fainted on my desk, had to go to the hospital by ambulance. Almost 8 weeks at home. Don't wait for it to happen.

> Don't wait for it to happen.

Sounds so much like what's happening to me here, yet how to distinguish between the "real thing" and confirmation bias?

Re: My first job burnout

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Post by DanBC »

wobbleblob wrote: post #12
DanBC wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lying on your CV is probably fraud and is almost always a very bad idea. Lying about mental health only contributes to the stigma and discrimination that some people experience. It also removes some of the legal protections you have[1]. It's probably better to be honest - "I had time off for a common illness. I got treatment and I now have some advanced techniques and some protective measures, although noone expects…

You're right, lying is a bad idea, but phrasing something bad in a way that sounds a little better is sometimes necessary, especially with something that you know is behind you and won't affect your future work. It's not fair, and it doesn't help with the work stress, but employers do disqualify a candidate for this.

If you've had a mental health problem you probably don't want to work for a campany that discriminates against people with mental health problems.

If they're prepared to break the law during recruitment what kind of protection or understanding are you going to get when you're working there.

Colluding with a discriminatory company helps no one.

Re: My first job burnout

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Post by PakG1 »

toolz wrote: post #19
wobbleblob wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People get burned out because something in their life is causing them too much stress for too long a period. It might be the employer's fault, or it might be the combination of a perfectly fine 9 to 5 job with a bad social situation at home or a health problem. I'm not advocating trying to ignore it, but putting it out on the internet in a way that it's the first thing a potential employer will see when they google y…

We're all in this together, so you can either keep up this act of lying to employers and handing out resumes that put you one position below superman, or if you're quite capable and credentialed as many of us are, we can set a precedent. Walk out of obnoxious interviews - stop pretending to be the best developer ever on your resume - answer questions about shortcomings without apprehension (because we're all human an…

This is what prisoner's dilemma decisions are, baby. It's just reversed in that this time, the actors are making a play for prison, not freedom. :)

Re: My first job burnout

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Post by kyllo »

Joe8Bit wrote: post #16
wobbleblob wrote: post #8

I don't mean to be a jerk or anything, but a burnout is something you better not blog about or write about on facebook or speak about in any way that can be traced back to your real name, if you ever want to find another job again. Potential employers will google the names of applicants before an interview, and if the first thing that comes up is your name and photo on a story about your first job burnout, you're goi…

I couldn't disagree more. I would fit into the 'potential employers' part of your comment, having hired In fact, I would prefer a candidate who knows their limits and is obviously willing to communicate them. I would view a person who would publicly talk about a subject that few others in their position do as someone I would want on my team, as I would view them as more likely to not only push when their workload/lif…

Agreed. I am a supervisor at work, so I do hiring. I would not be turned off to a candidate because of a blog post like this, I would see it as a sign of maturity rather.

But I also work at a company where 40 hour weeks are the norm.

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