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This seems insane. Especially the later exception.

Why? It would be a major hassle otherwise when visiting cities like SF or NYC if you are not planning to rent a car (if you are, you might be carrying a car seat). I wouldn't be comfortable using a random carseat in the trunk, and in any case, given different age kids require different carseats, it's not really feasible.

Would you be more comfortable using none than using a "random one in the trunk"? I do not really see how a carseat can cause additional harm in an accident.

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My kid's school bus requires seat belts (in NJ). Maybe because he's in kinder garden, but they really take the time to do it for all kids.

Funny enough, physically school buses are the vehicles that require seat belts the least. But politically probably the easiest to require seat belts in.

Yup, many states have 'click it or ticket' laws, yet school buses have no seat belts. The argument I heard growing up was that its 'actually more dangerous to wear one on a school bus'. I was never given a real justification to that, though. My adult assumption is that it's simply too expensive for cash-strapped school districts to upgrade, and the legislatures passing seatbelt laws don't want to increase school budgets to allow those upgrades.

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Funny enough, physically school buses are the vehicles that require seat belts the least. But politically probably the easiest to require seat belts in.

Yup, many states have 'click it or ticket' laws, yet school buses have no seat belts. The argument I heard growing up was that its 'actually more dangerous to wear one on a school bus'. I was never given a real justification to that, though. My adult assumption is that it's simply too expensive for cash-strapped school districts to upgrade, and the legislatures passing seatbelt laws don't want to increase school budg…

Here is my guess as to the real reason those school buses have no seat belts: there is of course always at least one adult on the bus to supervise the children. If the bus had seat belts and one of the children were injured or killed while not buckled in, the employer of the supervising adult would face legal liability for neglecting to ensure that the child was buckling in.

Specifically, a complaint that the bus should have had belts can be met with the reply, "But that's the way school buses have always been." In contrast, there is no similarly-reasonable-sounding reply to the complaint, "If only the supervising adult had done his job and ensured that the kid was buckled in!"

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Sounds interesting, can you expand on that?

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Re: John Nash Has Died

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Such a tragic loss. Like many people, I never wore a seatbelt while riding in a taxi. I'm not really sure why, it just seemed somehow to be the social norm and I went along with it. Then one day, my co-worker and his girlfriend were both severely injured while in an accident crossing the east river in manhattan. Ever since then, I've gotten in the habit of using my seatbelt while in a taxi, car, bus, or whatever. Som…

Especially since from a game theory PoV, one should wear a seatbelt : it is a life saver, and it has verry little drawback.

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Honestly I never understood that social norm of not wearing a seatbelt in a taxi. I'm much more confident in my driving skills than some dude yelling in some foreign language on his cell phone the entire time we're driving because at least I'm focused on one thing at a time. Sometimes the taxi doesn't even have visible seatbelts in the back (this is Philly I'm talking about, where getting around regulation is only a…

I also never understood the social norm of not wearing a seatbelt in a taxi, but went along with it for my first few years living in New York. I think the mention of "some dude yelling in some foreign language" is unnecessary. A person's native tongue says nothing of their intellectual capacity, nor of their ability to safely navigate a city.

Personally I never understood why to don't wear a seatbelt in any vehicle, even in a bus if there available I wear it.

Just because sometimes it does not depends on you, and even the best drivers can have an accident.

Re: John Nash Has Died

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post #55

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Seatbelts protect other passengers in the car. People are terrible at assessing risk and they probably need a gentle legislative push for some things, like seatbelts.

Alright. Often there's only one person in the car though, and what I said applies to other things too.

But the accidents are not usually single car incidents.

So, you are then leaving the driver of the other car having been in a fatal accident, because you did not want to wear a seatbelt.

If you want to drive on a private road without a seatbelt, drunk, whatever, that is entirely your choice. If you are likely to interact with other road users, then your choices impact others. (Note: your choices on a private road impact your family etc, but, you do not risk leaving someone feeling guilty because they had a car crash which killed someone)

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