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Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

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Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

#151

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You're trying too hard. Before Google the Internet was more useful. Smaller and more content focused. I'd gladly go back to hotbot or whatever to get away from Google and their ilk. A combination of disconnect, Adblock pro, and self destructing cookies gets me there.

I am trying to hard?

What, no one has ever criticized you for overblown rhetoric?

Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

#152
post #54

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Huh? Mozilla has $307 million a year in revenu. Of that $300 million comes from Google in exchange for being the default search bar. So I'm not sure what you're talking about exactly. Edit: ok, revenue is from Yahoo now. That doesn't make me any less confused as to what parent reply meant though.

That $300 million is coming from Yahoo now, actually.

Does it really take $300 million dollars per year to develop a browser? Ok, fine, a browser, an OS, and a programming language? I am more curious than anything, are there other things that Mozilla does that I am missing?

Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

#154

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I am trying to hard?

What, no one has ever criticized you for overblown rhetoric?

I feel like I present a pretty sound argument. This is done via rhetoric of course, but what isn't. In what way is it overblown? I am not taking it to an extreme, I am actually pointing out the extreme the blog poster has taken.

Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

#155

Man, ads are great. They allow content to be targeted towards people that could potentially not afford the content and towards people that might not necessarily use the product normally. The world is already significantly divided by wealth. Assuming someone poor even has access to a service like Google, imagine if it was behind a paywall. Could they afford it? If not imagine how much of a life advantage someone wealt…

The whole point of ads is to convince people to buy things that they may otherwise not. That seems like the opposite of helping poor people. Also, if you are struggling financially, ad supported "content" is probably not a major concern in your life, and certainly not a solution to your problems.

Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

#156

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tracking != advertising

advertising hosted on the same domain as the website might not track you beyond the domain itself. But since most websites share common ad networks those ad networks can effectively track you while showing their ads.

How would they do that without the ability to use the same cookie? The only way I can think of is to track you by ip address.

Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

#157
post #139

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How much would a Google search cost me if it wasn't ad supported?

Some numbers from 2009 say 1.18 cents/search: https://web.archive.org/web/20110201052634/http://billwarner... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2110938

If google started taking money for searching they would quickly be marginalized.

Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

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post #156

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advertising hosted on the same domain as the website might not track you beyond the domain itself. But since most websites share common ad networks those ad networks can effectively track you while showing their ads.

How would they do that without the ability to use the same cookie? The only way I can think of is to track you by ip address.

Well, for one, they could fingerprint your browser: https://panopticlick.eff.org/

Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

#159

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> Advertising literally does make content "free", as in, you do not have to pay for it. Advertising only makes content free monetarily; there's no money exchanged with the viewer. It instead costs you time, attention, memory. And sanity. > $1000 per year seems like a reasonable charge for being able to search the web with the power of Google's search. This shows the power of advertising in abusing our brain's ability…

Advertising is a tool which, like any other, can be used for good or evil. But it's a good point that it's not free to the consumer.

what's good in this case? enriching someone?

Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

#160

Man, ads are great. They allow content to be targeted towards people that could potentially not afford the content and towards people that might not necessarily use the product normally. The world is already significantly divided by wealth. Assuming someone poor even has access to a service like Google, imagine if it was behind a paywall. Could they afford it? If not imagine how much of a life advantage someone wealt…

The whole point of ads is to convince people to buy things that they may otherwise not. That seems like the opposite of helping poor people. Also, if you are struggling financially, ad supported "content" is probably not a major concern in your life, and certainly not a solution to your problems.

"If I were starting life over again, I am inclined to think that I would go into the advertising business in preference to almost any other. The general raising of standards of modern civilization among all groups of people during the past half-century would have been impossible without that spreading of the knowledge of higher standards by means of advertising."

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

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