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Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

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Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

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Post by paulryanrogers »

rossjudson wrote: post #118
bobajeff wrote: post #15

I would love for Mozilla to find other means of funding online content besides advertising. In either case I'd love to see them take a hard stance on privacy and against tracking. They should block trackers that have no effect on website features and restrict and monitor the ones that do effect features. ...and this is another reason Mozilla needs to have their own search engine. They could have much greater influenc…

What is this "content" you speak of, that must be funded through advertising? I checked the internet, and have been able to find very little worthwhile ad-supported content.

You must be very selective. I'm curious how you'd feel if it turned out most of Ycombinator's successful ventures depended upon advertising; thereby supporting this very site and community.

Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

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Post by paulryanrogers »

bsdetector wrote: post #97
[deleted] wrote: post #86

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> Advertising literally does make content "free", as in, you do not have to pay for it. Advertising only makes content free monetarily; there's no money exchanged with the viewer. It instead costs you time, attention, memory. And sanity. > $1000 per year seems like a reasonable charge for being able to search the web with the power of Google's search. This shows the power of advertising in abusing our brain's ability…

Advertising is a tool which, like any other, can be used for good or evil. But it's a good point that it's not free to the consumer.

Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

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Post by Karunamon »

throwaway425 wrote: post #108
Karunamon wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okay, WTF? Name a web server out there that doesnt keep logs. Your constant projecting of ulterior motives, absent any evidence, on a throwaway account, is the very definition of worthless, gratuitously negative content. The guy upthread is complaining that requests are cached for a day. I'm sorry, would y'all prefer that they not be cached?

Google's motive is to make money, and they do that largely through advertising. There's nothing ulterior about the motive I'm suggesting. More information on you means they can charge a higher price for the privilege of advertising certain products or services to you. Of course, the fact that the same information they sell to advertisers is also easily accessible by the government with a mere subpoena, if even that,…

I'm sorry, can you present a plausible scenario in which the government (or any other entity for that matter) cares which web browser I download?

And as to this: it's insultingly disingenuous - no, it really isn't. Every piece of web server software in the world keeps logs. Would you prefer they lied?

You seem hell-bent on damning Google for not doing anything particularly evil in this case. And it doesn't look like you're willing to have your mind changed, either.

Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

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Post by marcosdumay »

kibwen wrote: post #38

It's interesting to think of this as a nuclear option for Firefox. The only incentive they have not to turn it on immediately is that it could poison relationships with site owners such that they stop testing their sites on Firefox or outright block Firefox users, but if Firefox market share ever diminished to the point where site owners were already neglecting Firefox then I see no reason why Mozilla wouldn't damn t…

The idea of the "new" Microsoft standing by user rights and privacy is interesting...

They would gain a lot with such a move, but I still doubt they'd do that, because I think they still believe they can become big players at the advertising industry.

Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

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Post by marcosdumay »

manigandham wrote: post #119
higherpurpose wrote: post #18

> Advertising does not make content free. It merely externalizes the costs in a way that incentivizes malicious or incompetent players to build things like Superfish, infect 1 in 20 machines with ad injection malware, and create sites that require unsafe plugins and take twice as many resources to load, quite expensive in terms of bandwidth, power, and stability. That's a good point. Reminds me of "coal energy is che…

What harm is targeting causing? Users constantly complain that ads are not relevant, so it's either/or...

Objective harm, I don't know of any. But there's a long list of people out there with a relation of everything I brought on the last few years... Still, they mean me no harm... today... and the data is useless for attacking me... today.

Anyway, now I can think about some harm. Since they got their data, ads have become less relevant (yes, those people are extremely incompetent). But that isn't much of a trouble.

Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

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Post by manigandham »

marcosdumay wrote: post #126
manigandham wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What harm is targeting causing? Users constantly complain that ads are not relevant, so it's either/or...

Objective harm, I don't know of any. But there's a long list of people out there with a relation of everything I brought on the last few years... Still, they mean me no harm... today... and the data is useless for attacking me... today. Anyway, now I can think about some harm. Since they got their data, ads have become less relevant (yes, those people are extremely incompetent). But that isn't much of a trouble.

Social networks like Facebook keep far more information than any ad network. Most networks usually purge data beyond 30-60 days because it is no longer relevant for targeting. And Facebook doesn't have to scrape any info since people supply it willing.

My point: Privacy issues are somewhat pointed at the wrong institutions who really aren't a threat.

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Post by lern_too_spel »

pdkl95 wrote: post #93
lern_too_spel wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, let's not forget the fonts and js libraries served on cookie-less domains for speed. Surely, these are part of a plan to create a New World Order. https://developers.google.com/fonts/faq#Privacy

From your link. > Requests for CSS assets are cached for 1 day Tracking font request "only" once per day is still spying. Also, regarding your jump from Google's attack on our privacy to a larger to that "New World Order" reference is highly offensive. You're building a straw-man that was not stated, and perpetuating the belief that someone who complains about their privacy being attack must be some sort of "conspira…

There are no cookies. Claiming that Google is "tracking" users for some nefarious "attack on privacy" with these properties is "highly offensive" to my bullshit detector.

Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

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Post by thesimpsons1022 »

manigandham wrote: post #117
ahuth wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that an ad is custom tailored to you is concerning in and of itself...

but people whine when they see ads that are not to their interests either. there is no way to win.

advertise me computer shit cuz I'm on HN. don't store all my data and track me and store it in insecure databases which you handover to despots.

Re: Firefox tracking protection decreases page load time by 44%

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Post by CarloSanta4 »

I find the second part of the post especially interesting. Money makes the world go round. Mozilla as we all isn't immnune to this. The problem however is the huge amount of control the handfull of big global players have gained and still gain. Small local businesses have no chance. Top pick at Google wins. Trend scouting and more importantly trend creation get's customers. Advertising works through our unconcious mind. We can't decide to ignore ads, they will influence us. Also, Mozilla will or if the deals are signed has already lost it's independence irreversibly.

See also this small thread about the new advertising through suggested tabs.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9586073

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