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What are red flags that signal you should walk away from a startup job?

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Re: What are red flags that signal you should walk away from a startup job?

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Lawyers are often known assholes, and in most cases have fun pretty much exclusively at other's expense. I hope their jobs aren't fun, because when it is, it can be deeply disturbing. Doctors can assuredly have fun in responsible ways, and you know what? I want my doctor to be a happy person who enjoys their livelihood, because if they aren't happy... well... The working poor are an explicit example of what becomes o…

Medicine stops being fun about 2 weeks into internship. It gets much more fun after that... but there are times when it's not fun. Same with research. Same with business. There are times when things aren't fun. Sometimes it takes discipline to continue when things aren't fun in pursuit of a goal that is noble (or fun).

Oh I agree but at some point you have to take stock and say is this best for me and my loved ones

Re: What are red flags that signal you should walk away from a startup job?

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Also worth reading: Sick Systems: How to Keep Someone With You Forever: http://issendai.livejournal.com/572510.html

Man, I have been there. After I finished my training, I started working as a programmer at a small company, and I had this supervisor whose strategy of dealing with people was exactly as described in this article.

Even worse, he enjoyed it, thoroughly. Such people should never ever be allowed to get anywhere near a position of power over other people.

Re: What are red flags that signal you should walk away from a startup job?

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A caveat of the popular "would you invest in this company?" question: it's not a good litmus test for "should I work at this company?" because you're not a VC. If you're considering employment, it strongly suggests you don't have as much money as an angel or VC, which puts you in a different position. Losing $100,000 might not make a VC with $100MM of other peoples' money bat an eye, but what about you?

Re: What are red flags that signal you should walk away from a startup job?

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"But ALWAYS trust your gut on NOT to do something."

Having learnt that lesson the hard way, I whole-heartedly agree. Our "gut" is the equivalent of a supercomputer against the hand-held, battery-powered rational part of our minds. And it is there for a reason. If your "gut" screams at you to just run, you should at least seriously consider walking away. Every time I failed to do so, I came to regret it.

Re: What are red flags that signal you should walk away from a startup job?

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I think one red flag that people often miss, or make excuses for, is this: management not treating a coworker fairly.

When you're not treated fairly, that's clearly a red flag. But many people see coworkers treated poorly while they themselves aren't, grab a beer after work and talk about it, commiserate etc. but don't consider the possibility that maybe they themselves are next.

Re: What are red flags that signal you should walk away from a startup job?

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I've been through a few startups, but one experience really has stuck with me. I was an early employee in a turnkey software startup built on ideas from a moderately noted researcher in the field the software was designed to sell to. I had known the researcher off and on over the years and he had been brought on as the CTO with the investors bringing in an outside person they knew as the CEO.

They were still in "stealth mode" at this time, taking some earlier work the researcher had spent time on and hardening it for general commercial sale. This was the first red flag I should have seen, instead of taking the time to reboot the product and start it over for a modern market, the development team was spending a year doing bug fixes and cleaning up broken research code.

Not long after starting I went with the CTO to a trade show for market research and meet and greets with some industry partners. He booked us a lavish 4-star hotel and during a week-long trip maybe spent 2 hours at the show. He couldn't get out of there fast enough and instead wanted to rent a conference room outside the city and spend the week brainstorming product ideas. Remember, he had directed the dev team to not develop a new product but to merely fix and update his old code. He then described some new ideas that I recognized as being more or less exactly like a competing product. I asked him to describe how we would differentiate it from that product. Instead he claimed it was a totally different idea. Red flags #2, #3 and 4

And it went on a for a while, intense conflicts between the CTO and the dev manager put development work into a holding pattern, lack of a good sales strategy, and so on.

Eventually there was complete turnover at the C-level and the investors brought in a new team, they asked me to stay on while they rebooted the company so I did, and we did better, almost turned it around. But by that time we were stuck with a huge legacy codebase dwindling investment dollars and a host of other problems that we could never seem to shake.

Despite being a bad experience, I learned more from that failed company than I've learned in the other 15 years of work. Observing so many failure modes happening all at once, and seeing how a pro-team might go about a turn-around has taught me an entire business school's worth of street smarts.

I'd almost recommend riding a company down like that to people serious about startups so they can learn the same things, but to be honest, I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Re: What are red flags that signal you should walk away from a startup job?

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Also worth reading: Sick Systems: How to Keep Someone With You Forever: http://issendai.livejournal.com/572510.html

Wow. This is my current situation. While I knew things were bad and I need to move on to better things, I never fully understood the reasons. This article explains it concisely.
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