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Re: Help keep the Y Combinator Wikipedia page updated

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Post by Confusion »

snprbob86 wrote: post #10
cperciva wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having all YC funded startups at one place is incredibly useful There are lots of things which are useful but not notable and do not belong in an encyclopaedia.

sigh As a die-hard inclusionist, I'll never understand deletionism... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deletionism_and_inclusionism_in...

There is too much information in the world to include it all in Wikipedia. That leads to information dilution, which has the consequence that you cannot find what you are looking for anymore.

Die hard inclusionism is as stupid as die hard deletionism. If you cannot understand the opposing viewpoint, you do not understand your own position.

Re: Help keep the Y Combinator Wikipedia page updated

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Post by Confusion »

paraschopra wrote: post #5
zokier wrote: post #2

"The lists in this article may contain items that are not notable, encyclopedic, or helpful. Please help out by removing such elements and incorporating appropriate items into the main body of the article" I have to agree, listing all funded organizations is not useful. Just list those which are notable, and mention the total count somewhere

I respectfully disagree. Having all YC funded startups at one place is incredibly useful. I especially dig for stories of funded startups which eventually shutdown so as to learn what went wrong for them inspite of having funding. Maybe one can categorize on basis of _notability_ but the list should have all YC startups.

Having all YC funded startups at one place is incredibly useful.

Yes, and Wikipedia is not that place. You know what would be a good place? Somewhere on the YC website.

Re: Help keep the Y Combinator Wikipedia page updated

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Post by jacquesm »

zokier wrote: post #2

"The lists in this article may contain items that are not notable, encyclopedic, or helpful. Please help out by removing such elements and incorporating appropriate items into the main body of the article" I have to agree, listing all funded organizations is not useful. Just list those which are notable, and mention the total count somewhere

It's extremely useful. The page is about YC, notability comes in to account when you give the startups a page of their own, that should be limited to notable ones.

Re: Help keep the Y Combinator Wikipedia page updated

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Post by jacquesm »

Confusion wrote: post #11
snprbob86 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sigh As a die-hard inclusionist, I'll never understand deletionism... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deletionism_and_inclusionism_in...

There is too much information in the world to include it all in Wikipedia. That leads to information dilution , which has the consequence that you cannot find what you are looking for anymore. Die hard inclusionism is as stupid as die hard deletionism. If you cannot understand the opposing viewpoint, you do not understand your own position.

So, you're making the case here that on the page about Y combinator there should be lots of relevant information about Y combinator left out ?

Giving every start-up including the failed ones their own page would be a waste of space, but to give them a single line in a list is pretty good use of the space available I would say.

Re: Help keep the Y Combinator Wikipedia page updated

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Post by ErrantX »

davidw wrote: post #9
cperciva wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having all YC funded startups at one place is incredibly useful There are lots of things which are useful but not notable and do not belong in an encyclopaedia.

Especially one as tight on space as Wikipedia. Kidding aside, I think having a 'scorecard' somewhere is pretty interesting, and quite relevant to YC. Maybe Wikipedia isn't the right place though?

your welcome to use http://www.startupwiki.co.uk :)

Ycombinator has some listed: http://www.startupwiki.co.uk/investor/ycombinator

But not all of them yet (I haven't had time to add the rest recently)

Re: Help keep the Y Combinator Wikipedia page updated

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Post by Major_Grooves »

erikstarck wrote: post #3
zokier wrote: post #2

"The lists in this article may contain items that are not notable, encyclopedic, or helpful. Please help out by removing such elements and incorporating appropriate items into the main body of the article" I have to agree, listing all funded organizations is not useful. Just list those which are notable, and mention the total count somewhere

Is there a good place somewhere to find a list of all the YC alumni? The YC homepage sure ain't it.

Is this not all of them? http://ycombinator.com/faq.html

Re: Help keep the Y Combinator Wikipedia page updated

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Post by snprbob86 »

Confusion wrote: post #11
snprbob86 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

sigh As a die-hard inclusionist, I'll never understand deletionism... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deletionism_and_inclusionism_in...

There is too much information in the world to include it all in Wikipedia. That leads to information dilution , which has the consequence that you cannot find what you are looking for anymore. Die hard inclusionism is as stupid as die hard deletionism. If you cannot understand the opposing viewpoint, you do not understand your own position.

Is there too much information in the world to include it all on Google?

My position is that we should work to improve the tools by which we organize information without ever having to destroy any. I firmly believe that "non-notable" pages should remain marked as such. By default, penalize them in search results and hide them behind a confirmation gate. But don't delete them. Decorate the hell out of them with boxes indicating they don't meet quality standards, but if just one person thought it was notable enough to write about, it deserves to be included. Inclusion need not lead to information dilution. The binary nature of "notability" is overly simplistic, so redirect the destructive energy spent on the deletion debate towards constructive classification of data.

Re: Help keep the Y Combinator Wikipedia page updated

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Post by snprbob86 »

jacquesm wrote: post #14
Confusion wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is too much information in the world to include it all in Wikipedia. That leads to information dilution , which has the consequence that you cannot find what you are looking for anymore. Die hard inclusionism is as stupid as die hard deletionism. If you cannot understand the opposing viewpoint, you do not understand your own position.

So, you're making the case here that on the page about Y combinator there should be lots of relevant information about Y combinator left out ? Giving every start-up including the failed ones their own page would be a waste of space, but to give them a single line in a list is pretty good use of the space available I would say.

Why is giving each their own page a waste of space?

Even if it is only a one sentence stub, it might be interesting to someone and their mother. No one else will ever know it is there, but a tiny piece of history, no matter how insignificant it may seem now, will be preserved. It's not hurting anybody.

Imagine if some YC startup did some interesting things, but ultimately failed and was promptly forgotten. Two years later, the same team builds something fantastic rooted firmly in the work they had done previously. This new startup becomes an astonishing success. Suddenly, that prior effort (especially why it failed) is noteable. Oh noez! We deleted it!

It is arrogant for any individual or even any group to believe they have any knowledge of what was, is, or will be noteable.

Re: Help keep the Y Combinator Wikipedia page updated

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Post by gojomo »

cperciva wrote: post #7
paraschopra wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respectfully disagree. Having all YC funded startups at one place is incredibly useful. I especially dig for stories of funded startups which eventually shutdown so as to learn what went wrong for them inspite of having funding. Maybe one can categorize on basis of _notability_ but the list should have all YC startups.

Having all YC funded startups at one place is incredibly useful There are lots of things which are useful but not notable and do not belong in an encyclopaedia.

!#@!@^% deletionists are ruining Wikipedia. They'll be the first against the wall when the revolution comes.

Re: Help keep the Y Combinator Wikipedia page updated

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Post by gojomo »

zokier wrote: post #2

"The lists in this article may contain items that are not notable, encyclopedic, or helpful. Please help out by removing such elements and incorporating appropriate items into the main body of the article" I have to agree, listing all funded organizations is not useful. Just list those which are notable, and mention the total count somewhere

Another reason to loosen 'notability' -- it makes survivorship bias an official policy.
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