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Delivering Fast JavaScript Performance in Microsoft Edge

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Re: Delivering Fast JavaScript Performance in Microsoft Edge

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And you need to install windows 10 to get the new browser. Is Microsoft coupling their browser again?

They're giving away Windows 10 for free. So they're copying Apple's strategy and instead of back-porting, just get everyone onto the latest version.

What is Microsoft's business model then? Bing ads? Kinect + ??? = Profit? (I know I'm phrasing this like a joke, but I'm genuinely curious what revenue driver(s) justify a near $400B valuation)

Re: Delivering Fast JavaScript Performance in Microsoft Edge

#32
post #2

And you need to install windows 10 to get the new browser. Is Microsoft coupling their browser again?

It seems like they are. To those people down voting this comment because it comes off as a snark, it has some merit. Web developers need a new machine just to test the new IE. We already have to use multiple VMs or some other solution to test IE6-11 since you can't have more than one IE installed at a time. This just makes web development that much more difficult since now if a bug is reported in the new IE the engin…

It's because the logic is backward from the "bad thing" that MS was doing. Microsoft was trying IE in with Windows in a way that was perceived as unfair because of the dominance of the operating system. This turned out to be unwarranted anyway, because it just turned out the only thing preventing other browsers from "winning" was being better. Also that browsers aren't really worth as monetarily as everyone thought they would be at the time.

This is the opposite. Edge requires windows 10. Complaining about new software having a dependency on something, is a bit odd. But this isn't even that. It's software built for a target platform. When you design software you pick hardware and OSes to support. Sometimes older versions are cut, just like older versions of Android don't get all the latest updates to Chrome.

Additionally, it turns out that most commercial OSes are going to be tied in with the OS, and consumers seem select OSes/devices that package the basics like this.

Re: Delivering Fast JavaScript Performance in Microsoft Edge

#33
post #2

And you need to install windows 10 to get the new browser. Is Microsoft coupling their browser again?

It seems like they are. To those people down voting this comment because it comes off as a snark, it has some merit. Web developers need a new machine just to test the new IE. We already have to use multiple VMs or some other solution to test IE6-11 since you can't have more than one IE installed at a time. This just makes web development that much more difficult since now if a bug is reported in the new IE the engin…

With modern.ie, you get free testing VMs and screenshots of any website rendered in IE across many devices. To test Safari on Windows, Apple provides you with many less options (certainly no free browser testing OSX VMs!).

They're going above and beyond to make up for past mistakes, for that I'm grateful.

Re: Delivering Fast JavaScript Performance in Microsoft Edge

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're giving away Windows 10 for free. So they're copying Apple's strategy and instead of back-porting, just get everyone onto the latest version.

What is Microsoft's business model then? Bing ads? Kinect + ??? = Profit? (I know I'm phrasing this like a joke, but I'm genuinely curious what revenue driver(s) justify a near $400B valuation)

They're giving away free upgrades to Windows 10, for the first year. That's all.

* http://windows.microsoft.com/en-au/windows-10/about

Re: Delivering Fast JavaScript Performance in Microsoft Edge

#35
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like they are. To those people down voting this comment because it comes off as a snark, it has some merit. Web developers need a new machine just to test the new IE. We already have to use multiple VMs or some other solution to test IE6-11 since you can't have more than one IE installed at a time. This just makes web development that much more difficult since now if a bug is reported in the new IE the engin…

With modern.ie, you get free testing VMs and screenshots of any website rendered in IE across many devices. To test Safari on Windows, Apple provides you with many less options (certainly no free browser testing OSX VMs!). They're going above and beyond to make up for past mistakes, for that I'm grateful.

OSX VMs... Now there's an idea.

I'd be more than willing to pay a large premium for an officially supported version of OSX that runs in VMware/Virtualbox/Hyper-V/etc. But I suppose it probably isn't in Apple's best interests to offer one.

Re: Delivering Fast JavaScript Performance in Microsoft Edge

#36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're giving away Windows 10 for free. So they're copying Apple's strategy and instead of back-porting, just get everyone onto the latest version.

What is Microsoft's business model then? Bing ads? Kinect + ??? = Profit? (I know I'm phrasing this like a joke, but I'm genuinely curious what revenue driver(s) justify a near $400B valuation)

> What is Microsoft's business model then?

New Windows licenses, licensing on lots of other software, MSDN, enterprise support, and all the things that aren't upgrades of existing Windows licenses.

Re: Delivering Fast JavaScript Performance in Microsoft Edge

#37
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like they are. To those people down voting this comment because it comes off as a snark, it has some merit. Web developers need a new machine just to test the new IE. We already have to use multiple VMs or some other solution to test IE6-11 since you can't have more than one IE installed at a time. This just makes web development that much more difficult since now if a bug is reported in the new IE the engin…

With modern.ie, you get free testing VMs and screenshots of any website rendered in IE across many devices. To test Safari on Windows, Apple provides you with many less options (certainly no free browser testing OSX VMs!). They're going above and beyond to make up for past mistakes, for that I'm grateful.

I didn't really see the original comment as "hateful". It's a legitimate point.

Re: Delivering Fast JavaScript Performance in Microsoft Edge

#38
post #37
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With modern.ie, you get free testing VMs and screenshots of any website rendered in IE across many devices. To test Safari on Windows, Apple provides you with many less options (certainly no free browser testing OSX VMs!). They're going above and beyond to make up for past mistakes, for that I'm grateful.

I didn't really see the original comment as "hateful". It's a legitimate point.

You're right, I've removed the line from my post.

Re: Delivering Fast JavaScript Performance in Microsoft Edge

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need to be defensive. I'm simply stating the following sentence is true: Windows 10 and Edge are coupled.

You're trying really hard to make it sound like a bad thing that Microsoft finally stopped their awful practice of dragging forward a huge stack of backward compatibility, wrote a new API to replace the cruft, and is working on writing new technologies to use this. The reason that Edge requires Windows 10 and not Windows 8 is that Microsoft bungled Windows 8 structurally, and they don't want to write their software f…

> You're trying really hard to make it sound like a bad thing that Microsoft finally stopped their awful practice of dragging forward a huge stack of backward compatibility, wrote a new API to replace the cruft, and is working on writing new technologies to use this.

Straw Man logical fallacy.

I am simply saying the following is a fact: Edge is coupled with Windows 10.

Based on a previous comment to the effect of: "It's not coupled but requires windows 10 API's"

Whether or not that is good,bad,or indifferent I make no judgement on. Especially given that both Chrome and Firefox are really great alternatives and are on a lot of platforms already.

Re: Delivering Fast JavaScript Performance in Microsoft Edge

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're trying really hard to make it sound like a bad thing that Microsoft finally stopped their awful practice of dragging forward a huge stack of backward compatibility, wrote a new API to replace the cruft, and is working on writing new technologies to use this. The reason that Edge requires Windows 10 and not Windows 8 is that Microsoft bungled Windows 8 structurally, and they don't want to write their software f…

Yup. I literally never thought I'd see barefaced attempts at FUD over making things better , even when it's Microsoft. Some people are impervious to irony.

I don't think you understand the definition of irony.
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