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The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing

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Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing

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Post by danieltillett »

cmurf wrote: post #19

It's almost impossible for out of state students to "get residency" and pay in state tuition rates. This is due to most states setting the age of majority for tuition classification only, to 25. Age of majority for voting and dying in wars is 18. Age of majority for drinking alcohol is 21. But tuition? Nah, you don't get that until you're 25, even if you're a resident of that state. So in effect, you only get the in…

I am not sure why you are being down voted here. Assuming you are over 25 how long do you have to be resident in a state to be considered a resident for tuition purposes.

Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing

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Post by danieltillett »

mhays wrote: post #20

To cite my own experience, I pay around $30,000 a year for my instate J.D. program. My school-appointed mentor, who graduated in 2004, paid $4,000 a year. I see this as unfair, not only in the sense that my generation has to take out extraordinary loans to access education, but also in the sense that I am forced to pay $100,000 just to participate in our justice system. And I am one of the lucky ones benefiting from…

Well I am not sure if the USA needs anymore lawyers.

If I were in charge I would make the tuition $500,000 pa and use the money to pay court appointed defence attorneys a decent wage and give them a reasonable workload. Fewer lawyers and more justice.

Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing

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Post by sjg007 »

mhays wrote: post #20

To cite my own experience, I pay around $30,000 a year for my instate J.D. program. My school-appointed mentor, who graduated in 2004, paid $4,000 a year. I see this as unfair, not only in the sense that my generation has to take out extraordinary loans to access education, but also in the sense that I am forced to pay $100,000 just to participate in our justice system. And I am one of the lucky ones benefiting from…

10 year income based and non-proft/govt based forgiveness.

Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing

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Post by batbomb »

jacobolus wrote: post #8
mc32 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well its not fair someone was born in New Mexico and wants to study at UC Irvine either.

The New Mexico resident can surely get in-state tuition rates at NM State in Las Cruces, also a great school. Why should California have a special obligation to students from New Mexico? Note that New Mexico already gets 37% of its state budget from the federal government, and has among the highest per capita number of federal employees (both civilian and military). Californian tax payers are already heavily subsidiz…

> Note that New Mexico already gets 37% of its state budget from the federal government,

California gets a lot of Federal aid too at 27%. New Mexico apparently takes 36% (nice rounding).

> and has among the highest per capita number of federal employees (both civilian and military).

So New Mexico, per capita, has the highest percentage of people working in governmentally mandated jobs, or public service workers, if you will. California should definitely pick up the slack.

> Californian tax payers are already heavily subsidizing New Mexico as it is.

By that logic, California should definitely allow in-state tuition to everyone in Kansas, New Jersey, Illinois, Nevada, North Dakota, Delaware, Connecticut, Hawaii, Virginia, and especially Alaska

...Because they are all subsidizing California as it is.

Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing

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Post by itsybitsycoder »

danieltillett wrote: post #22
mhays wrote: post #20

To cite my own experience, I pay around $30,000 a year for my instate J.D. program. My school-appointed mentor, who graduated in 2004, paid $4,000 a year. I see this as unfair, not only in the sense that my generation has to take out extraordinary loans to access education, but also in the sense that I am forced to pay $100,000 just to participate in our justice system. And I am one of the lucky ones benefiting from…

Well I am not sure if the USA needs anymore lawyers. If I were in charge I would make the tuition $500,000 pa and use the money to pay court appointed defence attorneys a decent wage and give them a reasonable workload. Fewer lawyers and more justice.

I'm not sure if having a justice system run entirely by children of the wealthy would result in more justice... because that's what you're going to get if tuition costs $2mil.

Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing

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Post by dragonwriter »

batbomb wrote: post #24
jacobolus wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The New Mexico resident can surely get in-state tuition rates at NM State in Las Cruces, also a great school. Why should California have a special obligation to students from New Mexico? Note that New Mexico already gets 37% of its state budget from the federal government, and has among the highest per capita number of federal employees (both civilian and military). Californian tax payers are already heavily subsidiz…

> Note that New Mexico already gets 37% of its state budget from the federal government, California gets a lot of Federal aid too at 27%. New Mexico apparently takes 36% (nice rounding). > and has among the highest per capita number of federal employees (both civilian and military). So New Mexico, per capita, has the highest percentage of people working in governmentally mandated jobs, or public service workers, if y…

> By that logic, California should definitely allow in-state tuition to everyone in Kansas, New Jersey, Illinois, Nevada, North Dakota, Delaware, Connecticut, Hawaii, Virginia, and especially Alaska

> ...Because they are all subsidizing California as it is.

Actually, as a net contributor of federal taxes, California is subsidizing all of those states (except fellow contributors Illinois and New Jersey), as well as New Mexico. [0]

But no one is "subsidizing" California via federal taxes, since California is a net contributor of federal taxes.

[0] http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/which-st...

Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing

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Post by yequalsx »

danieltillett wrote: post #22
mhays wrote: post #20

To cite my own experience, I pay around $30,000 a year for my instate J.D. program. My school-appointed mentor, who graduated in 2004, paid $4,000 a year. I see this as unfair, not only in the sense that my generation has to take out extraordinary loans to access education, but also in the sense that I am forced to pay $100,000 just to participate in our justice system. And I am one of the lucky ones benefiting from…

Well I am not sure if the USA needs anymore lawyers. If I were in charge I would make the tuition $500,000 pa and use the money to pay court appointed defence attorneys a decent wage and give them a reasonable workload. Fewer lawyers and more justice.

You have missed mhays' point. Focusing on what you perceive to be a problem of an abundance of lawyers detracts from the essence of the issue. Namely,

"... in the sense that my generation has to take out extraordinary loans to access education..."

Unless you think every field has an over supply, what is the point of your comment?

Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing

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Post by jacobolus »

batbomb wrote: post #24
jacobolus wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The New Mexico resident can surely get in-state tuition rates at NM State in Las Cruces, also a great school. Why should California have a special obligation to students from New Mexico? Note that New Mexico already gets 37% of its state budget from the federal government, and has among the highest per capita number of federal employees (both civilian and military). Californian tax payers are already heavily subsidiz…

> Note that New Mexico already gets 37% of its state budget from the federal government, California gets a lot of Federal aid too at 27%. New Mexico apparently takes 36% (nice rounding). > and has among the highest per capita number of federal employees (both civilian and military). So New Mexico, per capita, has the highest percentage of people working in governmentally mandated jobs, or public service workers, if y…

Your comment is way off base when it comes to factual analysis, but you’re right to take offense at my tone. That part of my comment was pretty snarky, sorry.

I was just annoyed at the combination of entitlement and lack of empathy in the poster I was responding to.

I actually think it’s a good thing to redistribute money from rich states like California, New Jersey, or Illinois toward poor states like New Mexico and Mississippi.

I also really like New Mexico, which is a beautiful state filled with lovely towns and wonderful people.

To live in a society together requires a certain baseline level of equality of means and opportunity so that we can treat each-other with empathy and mutual respect. When some areas are rich financial centers and others have serious social problems and few employment opportunities, it’s smart national policy to redirect federal funds from richer areas toward poorer areas to encourage economic development.

W/r/t higher education specifically, I think it would be a wonderful thing to send more federal money to state universities in places like New Mexico, which are really hurting financially these days. (As a thought experiment, if we replaced a substantial portion of the military spending that currently goes to poor states with education spending, I daresay the outcomes would be dramatically better for everyone involved.)

Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing

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Post by moioci »

fredgrott wrote: post #13

What the Article missed... It lists one Land Grant college..ie Purdue.. Is everyone ware that Land Grant Colleges are quasi-federal chartered entities via the Morrill Act and that they have still maintain an education mission defined in the act?

According to Wikipedia, Auburn and Michigan State are land-grant institutions.
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