The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing
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Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing
#2An extremely poor article. The only examples of this reported problem cited are a university that simply increased its size to accommodate more out-of-state students, and UCB, the very best state university in the nation, one that's the equal of many of the best private ones in many fields.
If that's the best the NYT can do, perhaps we don't have so much of a problem after all....
Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing
#3An extremely poor article. The only examples of this reported problem cited are a university that simply increased its size to accommodate more out-of-state students, and UCB, the very best state university in the nation, one that's the equal of many of the best private ones in many fields. If that's the best the NYT can do, perhaps we don't have so much of a problem after all....
What amazes me is that out of state students would have to pay out of state while someone in the state without a visa could get in state tuition.
I'm not against in state tuition for visa offenders, but at the same time there seems to be an unfairness with regard to out of state students who would have to pay the "full price".
Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing
#4An extremely poor article. The only examples of this reported problem cited are a university that simply increased its size to accommodate more out-of-state students, and UCB, the very best state university in the nation, one that's the equal of many of the best private ones in many fields. If that's the best the NYT can do, perhaps we don't have so much of a problem after all....
What amazes me is that out of state students would have to pay out of state while someone in the state without a visa could get in state tuition. I'm not against in state tuition for visa offenders, but at the same time there seems to be an unfairness with regard to out of state students who would have to pay the "full price".
It’s not a kid’s fault that they live somewhere without a visa. People who move to California as young children – who grow up going to California schools, have parents working in California and paying taxes like every other resident, have all their friends in California and are just as likely to stick around and make their life/career in California as any other resident – should absolutely get to count for in-state tuition rates. Anything less would be cruelly punishing a group who did nothing wrong and get all kinds of other shit for it from society.
Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing
#5An extremely poor article. The only examples of this reported problem cited are a university that simply increased its size to accommodate more out-of-state students, and UCB, the very best state university in the nation, one that's the equal of many of the best private ones in many fields. If that's the best the NYT can do, perhaps we don't have so much of a problem after all....
What amazes me is that out of state students would have to pay out of state while someone in the state without a visa could get in state tuition. I'm not against in state tuition for visa offenders, but at the same time there seems to be an unfairness with regard to out of state students who would have to pay the "full price".
> What amazes me is that out of state students would have to pay out of state while someone in the state without a visa could get in state tuition.
Why? The basis of in-state tuition for residents is that, through the required residency period, you have subjected yourself to the tax and other obligations that come from living in the state and have contributed to the community independent of nationality or citizenship, and that the tuition break is part of the service that the State provides in exchange for that to residents.
I'm not sure how permission from the federal government to be in the country is even relevant to that.
> I'm not against in state tuition for visa offenders, but at the same time there seems to be an unfairness with regard to out of state students who would have to pay the "full price".
Currently-out-of-state students could choose to move to the state first and establish residency. I'm not sure where the supposed unfairness is.
Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing
#6Earlier quoted context omitted.
What amazes me is that out of state students would have to pay out of state while someone in the state without a visa could get in state tuition. I'm not against in state tuition for visa offenders, but at the same time there seems to be an unfairness with regard to out of state students who would have to pay the "full price".
It’s not a kid’s fault that they live somewhere without a visa. People who move to California as young children – who grow up going to California schools, have parents working in California and paying taxes like every other resident, have all their friends in California and are just as likely to stick around and make their life/career in California as any other resident – should absolutely get to count for in-state t…
Well its not fair someone was born in New Mexico and wants to study at UC Irvine either.
Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
What amazes me is that out of state students would have to pay out of state while someone in the state without a visa could get in state tuition. I'm not against in state tuition for visa offenders, but at the same time there seems to be an unfairness with regard to out of state students who would have to pay the "full price".
> What amazes me is that out of state students would have to pay out of state while someone in the state without a visa could get in state tuition. Why? The basis of in-state tuition for residents is that, through the required residency period, you have subjected yourself to the tax and other obligations that come from living in the state and have contributed to the community independent of nationality or citizenship…
Rich kids can afford the full price. Poor students can't afford to move to get residency to qualify for in state tuition.
Also at 17 18yoa you have not paid into the tax system, so that's irrelevant. It's not like we're about to qualify how much parents have or have not contributed into the system.
Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
It’s not a kid’s fault that they live somewhere without a visa. People who move to California as young children – who grow up going to California schools, have parents working in California and paying taxes like every other resident, have all their friends in California and are just as likely to stick around and make their life/career in California as any other resident – should absolutely get to count for in-state t…
Well its not fair someone was born in New Mexico and wants to study at UC Irvine either.
The New Mexico resident can surely get in-state tuition rates at NM State in Las Cruces, also a great school.
Why should California have a special obligation to students from New Mexico? Note that New Mexico already gets 37% of its state budget from the federal government, and has among the highest per capita number of federal employees (both civilian and military). Californian tax payers are already heavily subsidizing New Mexico as it is.
Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing
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Well its not fair someone was born in New Mexico and wants to study at UC Irvine either.
The New Mexico resident can surely get in-state tuition rates at NM State in Las Cruces, also a great school. Why should California have a special obligation to students from New Mexico? Note that New Mexico already gets 37% of its state budget from the federal government, and has among the highest per capita number of federal employees (both civilian and military). Californian tax payers are already heavily subsidiz…
Visa less can surely get free education in their place of origin too, but that's not a solution. The NM student wants a quality education at a school offering the degree they want.
Re: The In-State Tuition Break, Slowly Disappearing
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
> What amazes me is that out of state students would have to pay out of state while someone in the state without a visa could get in state tuition. Why? The basis of in-state tuition for residents is that, through the required residency period, you have subjected yourself to the tax and other obligations that come from living in the state and have contributed to the community independent of nationality or citizenship…
Rich kids can afford the full price. Poor students can't afford to move to get residency to qualify for in state tuition. Also at 17 18yoa you have not paid into the tax system, so that's irrelevant. It's not like we're about to qualify how much parents have or have not contributed into the system.
> Rich kids can afford the full price. Poor students can't afford to move to get residency to qualify for in state tuition.
Yes, wealth makes you able to afford things you could not afford without that wealth. That's true by definition.
I'm not sure how that makes it unfair that the State of California subsidizes tuition for residents (but not nonresidents) regardless, in either case, of visa status.
The State of California generally serves, in order of priority, citizens of the State of California, non-citizen residents of the State of California, and then, maybe, sometimes, non-citizen non-residents of the State of California.
I'm not seeing any unfairness in the State subsidizing UC education for the first two groups but not the third.
> Also at 17 18yoa you have not paid into the tax system
Yes, you probably have. You may not have paid income tax, but income tax isn't the only significant State of California general fund tax. You've probably paid a lot of sales tax.
(If you are financially independent at that age as a resident, you've probably paid state income tax, too; if you aren't, then you probably aren't paying the tuition yourself in any case, and the people who probably are probably the people that are paying your other expenses, who, if you are a resident, have probably paid plenty in both income and sales tax in the state.)