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PPK: "Apple is not evil. iPhone developers are stupid."

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Re: PPK: "Apple is not evil. iPhone developers are stupid."

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Fuck [iPhone developers] those condescending, ignorant, self-important, stupid, blind, fearful pricks. Fuck them real hard. Where it hurts. And fucking them real hard where it hurts is exactly what Apple is doing right now. We choose the world we want to live in, and I don't want to live in a world where writing like this is unremarkable. It adds nothing to the overall argument and coarsens us to no purpose. I am sym…

Argh! Not the dreaded "I don't want to live in a world where X" cliché again!

Re: PPK: "Apple is not evil. iPhone developers are stupid."

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post #6

While he basically raises some valid points, he ignores two critical ones: 1) With the appstore being the one authority to get apps on your iPhone, you will automatically get much less traction using the web 2) The appstore makes it VERY easy for the devs to actually get paid. If you launch your app web-only, you have to incorporate the whole payment process yourself, which sucks. Catch 22...

Bingo. The big attraction is that developers can make a silly puzzle game that would have to be free on the web, but they can charge 99 cents for it in the app store. Plus, billing and credit card processing is just done for you. It makes me wonder if there is an opportunity for a startup to provide a web app store. Would be hard to pull off, and would likely really irritate Apple. But it might be possible.

Re: PPK: "Apple is not evil. iPhone developers are stupid."

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post #14
post #6

While he basically raises some valid points, he ignores two critical ones: 1) With the appstore being the one authority to get apps on your iPhone, you will automatically get much less traction using the web 2) The appstore makes it VERY easy for the devs to actually get paid. If you launch your app web-only, you have to incorporate the whole payment process yourself, which sucks. Catch 22...

I don't know if this is already done. But the second point really begs for an entrepreneur to solve this. A simple model for payment for web apps, you could support one off sales, subscriptions models etc. Make an API for developers and handle all the credit-card processing stuff.

See Spreedly, CheddarGetter, or Recurly. All good for subscription billing at least.

http://www.spreedly.com http://www.cheddargetter.com http://www.recurly.com

Re: PPK: "Apple is not evil. iPhone developers are stupid."

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Worthless linkbait, and misses the point entirely. Namely: how many iPhone developers are making decent revenue from a web app?

Mobile Safari could be the most powerful web experience in the world, but without a simple, trusted payment mechanism, it'll be largely ignored by "stupid" iPhone developers.

Re: PPK: "Apple is not evil. iPhone developers are stupid."

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iPhone developers are part of the problem: specifically the ones who create a zillion "shovelware" apps, some so pointless that Apple has got to the point of banning entire developers.

Apple intended the review process to be basic third-party QA--something that the commercial software industry needs in general--but the noisy, trivial slush like "Dial Girlfriend" and apps that show a few P.D. pictures lifted off Google Images are tying up Apple's resources and making it a chore for users to find anything good.

Re: PPK: "Apple is not evil. iPhone developers are stupid."

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your first point is so valid. Having created a webapp for the iPhone myself there really are few places I can go to put my webapp on a stage that anyone cares about. If someone knows of any I honestly would love to know where they are.

Why not create an iPhone app, which is simply a WebKit view dedicated to your web app? The client see's it as a "iPhone app" you can host/sell it in the store, but it's really just a web app. (Maybe there's a restriction on this, but I can't see why there would be...)

Same restrictions apply: the web view has a limited set of functionality and there is no way to communicate between the native cocoa part of the app and the javascript part running in the web view.

Re: PPK: "Apple is not evil. iPhone developers are stupid."

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iPhone developers are part of the problem: specifically the ones who create a zillion "shovelware" apps, some so pointless that Apple has got to the point of banning entire developers. Apple intended the review process to be basic third-party QA--something that the commercial software industry needs in general--but the noisy, trivial slush like "Dial Girlfriend" and apps that show a few P.D. pictures lifted off Googl…

That's the inevitable result of the approval process. Make a sophisticated app with lots of functionality, and there's a greatly increased chance that Apple will find something wrong with it. On the other hand a one button fart app will go right through.
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