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The Sound of TED: A Case for Distaste

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Re: The Sound of TED: A Case for Distaste

#31
I think we can add a few more genres to our list...

Popularizations

  - The Paradox of Choice
  - The Long Tail
  - The Shallows
  - Freakonomics
  - Where Good Ideas Come From
Podcasts

  - This American Life
  - Freakonomics Radio
  - 99 Percent Invisible
  - Stuff You Should Know
Aggregators

  - Hacker News
I'm being tongue in cheek: I grant you there's excellent content, above, but I'd be interested to see a breakdown of the following: WHO consumes this kind of content, and WHY do we/they/I find it quote-un-quote "interesting"? I distinctly remember a car trip I had recently in which I realized, after about 10 minutes of talking to the passengers, that we were all regurgitating podcasts! It felt genuine, but we weren't adding anything much of our own in the mix. Is it a class thing, a source of social cachet? What are we trying to signal to each other when we share it?

I have a sneaking suspicion that the smarter we get, the more gullible we are. That the world can be "counter intuitive" and that we feel good about ourselves and our intellects when we recognize this superficial fact, seems all very strange. Like a slight of hand. Come to think of it, there's a great TED talk about a pick-pocket...

Re: The Sound of TED: A Case for Distaste

#32
post #2

TED, I think, serves as a modern version of high-brow oration as the middle letter suggests: Entertainment. It's a double-ended marketplace platform of content providers (speakers) and content consumers (paid attendees and non-paid viewers). Since the cost is high to paid attendees, the content must be as good and fresh as humanly possible. From what I've seen as a non-paid viewer, I think TED accomplishes this reaso…

TED talks are predigested intellectual pablum that make the people hearing them feel smart. Seeing one is mildly entertaining. Seeing two is cloying. Seeing three makes you aware of how intolerably formulaic they are. In fairness I've only seen half of a few, because they bored me stupid by the time they were half way through and it had become apparent that the whole schtick was to make the audience feel special and…

Besides deliberate job skill training and radical religious conversion, what educational media satisfy the "obvious change in lifestyle" test? Like any nonfictional media, the value is in perspective. Maybe you criticize newspapers and Scientific American on the same grounds, but otherwise I suspect you're holding TED to an unfair standard.

FWIW, I know my dad has taken useful insights from the occasional TED talk. The one about how the first follower is as important as a leader comes to mind.

Re: The Sound of TED: A Case for Distaste

#33

They mentioned Sarah Silverman's TED talk deflating the pomposity of TED, but it is unbelievable that they didn't mention the TEDx talk "2070 Paradigm Shift". A guy made up a completely false story about himself to get on a TEDx roster, then for 20 minutes made up complete nonsense like going to Rwanda with Elon Musk to give African villages ipads so they could learn javascript. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yFhR1…

That video is amazing. Thank you.

Re: The Sound of TED: A Case for Distaste

#34

I think we can add a few more genres to our list... Popularizations - The Paradox of Choice - The Long Tail - The Shallows - Freakonomics - Where Good Ideas Come From Podcasts - This American Life - Freakonomics Radio - 99 Percent Invisible - Stuff You Should Know Aggregators - Hacker News I'm being tongue in cheek: I grant you there's excellent content, above, but I'd be interested to see a breakdown of the followin…

I remember the exact moment when I decided to stop listening to Freakonomics Radio. It was when I looked down at my phone and saw the next podcast in my feed was titled "Are Gay Men Really Rich?".

Re: The Sound of TED: A Case for Distaste

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post #6

"TED’s is the language and tone of the pitch. It’s a style that comes from corporate conference rooms, where product ideas are pitched to potential investors." Someone in HN linked this in a previous discussion about TED, but especially with that quote in the piece it's even more a dead-on satire home run from the Onion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tom6_ceTu9s Part of a series though my impression was that it's t…

I prefer Reggie Watts' take https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdHK_r9RXTc

Re: The Sound of TED: A Case for Distaste

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post #6

"TED’s is the language and tone of the pitch. It’s a style that comes from corporate conference rooms, where product ideas are pitched to potential investors." Someone in HN linked this in a previous discussion about TED, but especially with that quote in the piece it's even more a dead-on satire home run from the Onion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tom6_ceTu9s Part of a series though my impression was that it's t…

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Re: The Sound of TED: A Case for Distaste

#38
I absolutely loved one critique from the article:

> middlebrow megachurch infotainment

This hits the nail on the head on so many levels. (And maybe that's enough; maybe the college-educated need their megachurches as well).

Like megachurches, TED offers highly-produced "public speaking as entertainment", but the purported content of the talks isn't entertainment, but $SERIOUS_ISSUE being told to you by $PERSON_WHO_KNOWS_BEST.

This grates because TED events are inherently artificial; everyone knows that they're there to be entertained, despite the trappings of importance. Contrast with political speech, which is (usually) ugly, but has the solidity that comes from serving real (if often equally ugly) purposes.

Once might say, hang on -- what's so bad about public speaking at TED and megachurches? What's the difference between TED/megachurches and, say, standup comedy, or storytelling, or politics?

The difference is both 1) honesty, and 2) the role of the audience.

Honesty: Speech at TED or a megachurch comes with almost suffocating trappings of weight and import. In contrast, storytelling and standup and all sorts of ordinary entertainment are much more honest and down-to-earth: they don't claim to present anything more than a good yarn, some ear-tickling.

Audience: In both TED and megachurches, their audience does not expect to think critically, or to in any way hold the speaker to account. They do not expect to ply the speaker with questions later. In contrast, the audience keeps standup comics honest and can turn on them viciously; and politics invites constant comment and criticism from all quarters, of a kind that mostly keeps politicians from indulging in extravagant and exalted speech that could distance them from the everyman.

Could we make it more honest? That's tough without making TED itself have more of a functional purpose than just entertainment. The world does need exploration and discovery and curated content, but TED's format is clearly "preaching as entertainment", not discussion, and not journalism. It's like a Church devoted to episodes of "The Price Is Right".

But apart from TED developing its own 'platform' for change in the world and becoming a more functional organization, to go along with the views it invites ... as a thought experiment, I can imagine for instance having 2 experts on the same subject, each presenting it through their own lens. This would complicate preaching tremendously and keep it much more honest, but it would probably be far more instructive and nourishing to the audience.

Re: The Sound of TED: A Case for Distaste

#39

It isn't just "TED". TED is a symptom (and not all of the talks are bad; the format must be shallow because it reflects the short attention span and quick-to-dismiss mentality of the upper class). It's this horseshit faux-liberal self-congratulatory corporate house-slave culture. That's where this speaking tone of "pitching" rather than teaching or exhorting or enlightening (when needed) condemning comes from. I can'…

"You don't always make friends being right." Or maybe your attitude is clouding any articulate argument that you may be presenting. The reason TED works is because how you present your message is a large part of how successful your message is. If you are receiving that many downvotes, it is probably due to a combination of your self-righteous message and the arrogant way you are presenting it.

michaelochurch routinely questions the motives of a large class of people. That in itself is arrogant.

Re: The Sound of TED: A Case for Distaste

#40
From the article: "middlebrow megachurch infotainment."

(somebody else just posted that phrase while I was posting)

They have today's TED nailed.

I was thinking of applying to give a TED talk. Then I watched some of the newer ones. No.

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