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Bing considers paying sites to delist themselves from Google

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Re: Bing considers paying sites to delist themselves from Google

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Post by robryan »

gloob wrote: post #14
qeorge wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're being a bit dramatic here. Whats the difference between this and Playstation paying for Grand Theft Auto's exclusivity, or Bing and Google paying for access to Twitter's content while small engines like DuckDuckGo go without? Or the NFL network only allowing coverage of most football games on DirecTV/Dish? I'm not judging the business model's merits, but selling exclusive access to content is nothing n…

I think you're being a bit dramatic here. Whats the difference between this and Playstation paying for Grand Theft Auto's exclusivity, or Bing and Google paying for access to Twitter's content while small engines like DuckDuckGo go without? Or the NFL network only allowing coverage of most football games on DirecTV/Dish? I'm not judging the business model's merits, but selling exclusive access to content is nothing n…

A site could start blocking certain IPs and user agents as well if need be to prevent being indexed, I'm sure there's was for crawlers to get around it but a site could certainly make it hard to index there content.

Re: Bing considers paying sites to delist themselves from Google

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Post by chrischen »

This isn't going to be good for the end user at all. Right now for the most part search engines can focus on improving results. This will just degrade results by fragmenting them, and detract from efforts to improve results.

If there's any sign that Bing is inferior to Google it's that Bing has to artificially decrease the value of Google.

Re: Bing considers paying sites to delist themselves from Google

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Post by bad_user »

robryan wrote: post #21
gloob wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're being a bit dramatic here. Whats the difference between this and Playstation paying for Grand Theft Auto's exclusivity, or Bing and Google paying for access to Twitter's content while small engines like DuckDuckGo go without? Or the NFL network only allowing coverage of most football games on DirecTV/Dish? I'm not judging the business model's merits, but selling exclusive access to content is nothing n…

A site could start blocking certain IPs and user agents as well if need be to prevent being indexed, I'm sure there's was for crawlers to get around it but a site could certainly make it hard to index there content.

Then you could start sending requests via proxies ... and sooner or later the site would start blocking legitimate users.

Either way, the majority of all new traffic comes from Google right now, and if a website has exclusivity for Bing, it would surely lose a lot visits. And it's definitely not worth it unless Microsoft pays really well for this privilege ... and I'm not sure they can do that, even if they are Microsoft.

Re: Bing considers paying sites to delist themselves from Google

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Post by chrischen »

qeorge wrote: post #10
alttab wrote: post #2

"I'll pay you not to use the competitor that possibly brings you more than half of your discoveries, new customers, and revenue." Sounds like a sound business model to me. On a more serious note, I'm actually afraid of the collective ignorance of most computer users today that Microsoft could win out with manipulative business practices like this - most internet users are layman and don't understand the integrity iss…

I think you're being a bit dramatic here. Whats the difference between this and Playstation paying for Grand Theft Auto's exclusivity, or Bing and Google paying for access to Twitter's content while small engines like DuckDuckGo go without? Or the NFL network only allowing coverage of most football games on DirecTV/Dish? I'm not judging the business model's merits, but selling exclusive access to content is nothing n…

Paying for exclusive content, which other parties did not previously hold the rights to, is constructive manipulation. In this case Microsoft would be paying to detract from Google's value, which is destructive manipulation. In the former case the total output is not lessened, in the latter case the total output is lessened.

Ideally there would be no manipulative tactics at all, and all competing entities would do so by merit and product improvement alone. In this case all possible actions would be additive to total output.

Microsoft's tactics of destructive manipulation however is the worst you can get.

Re: Bing considers paying sites to delist themselves from Google

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Post by cellis »

jerf wrote: post #9
alttab wrote: post #2

"I'll pay you not to use the competitor that possibly brings you more than half of your discoveries, new customers, and revenue." Sounds like a sound business model to me. On a more serious note, I'm actually afraid of the collective ignorance of most computer users today that Microsoft could win out with manipulative business practices like this - most internet users are layman and don't understand the integrity iss…

"I'm actually afraid of the collective ignorance of most computer users today that Microsoft could win out with manipulative business practices like this - most internet users are layman and don't understand the integrity issues of whats going on here." OK, so let's assume this will work, for this reason, and game it out. I don't hold up the following analysis as Truth, just some thoughts. In the short term, even for…

Tiny nitpick: Microsoft was the 8th most profitable corporation in the world, last year. I am sure there are a lot of products that they sell extremely well, besides Windows / Office.

Also, while they may not have produced many successes over 3 decades of platform wars, they have certainly ruined many competitors.

Re: Bing considers paying sites to delist themselves from Google

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Post by greyman »

jsz0 wrote: post #6

What would stop the de-listed sites from appearing in Google search results via syndication/aggregation on blogs and other sites? Seems like they would be putting themselves in a weaker position by letting other sites capture the click-trhough traffic and apply their own spin to the content. In how many cases would the searcher be satisfied with the syndicated/aggregated summary and never click-through? They would ha…

As I understand it, Fox's ultimate goal is not to de-list themselves from the Google, but to force Google to pay them for indexing.
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