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Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by chasing »

astalwick wrote: post #173
morley wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not being able to watch a TV show isn't exactly oppression. If I didn't get into a closed beta of a highly-anticipated web service or video game, it wouldn't be "a form of protest" to brute-force someone else's login, or to crack the signup system. It would be wrong.

It's not oppression, you're right. It's way, way smaller than that. My little act of 'defiance' is way smaller than it would be if it were exactly oppression, too. I'm pirating content. I'm watching something that I want to watch, and at the same time, I'm hoping that my small increment of the 'pirated_copies_of_got' metric causes someone at HBO to go and sort out the way they distribute content outside of the US. Li…

Look, you don't want to pay for it. For you, free is better than having to shell out money.

I wish people would just stop with their dumb moral workarounds. The show costs $X. You don't want to pay. You know how to get the content via other means. And so you do.

Don't embarrass yourself further by claiming you're somehow helping HBO out by going against their wishes and pirating the show they produced. You don't know what effect you (and other pirates) are having on HBO's business.

You apparently work for a company that aims to empower musicians. I would expect you to have a deeper understanding of how difficult it can be to make a living producing entertainment in this day and age.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by shmerl »

senorito wrote: post #113

What is the big deal about this at all? Seriously, I don't get it. All I can see is that I can choose from some movies and stream them. But that's neither innovative nor new ...

You can also save them, since it has no DRM. That's "innovative" (semi-sarcasm intended). Meaning that it's actually consumer friendly, unlike what is normally offered.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by JupiterMoon »

LLWM wrote: post #124
diyorgasms wrote: post #69

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I don't see anything unreasonable about asking the studios to provide their product in a particular format. What if you wanted to purchase a movie, and the studios only offered it on Betamax? Relying on Flash or Silverlight is similar. I use Linux, and Flash is officially unsupported on Linux. Silverlight has never been officially supported on Linux. If these are the options, then I cannot watch the movie out of the…

It's also totally reasonable for them to not provide their product in a form that only a tiny percentage of people actually need. Might as well complain that they no longer sell VHS tapes because "all I have is a VCR and I just want content in a form I can watch". At some point you have to recognize that you need to meet them halfway. I mean heck, you even recognize that Flash isn't supported on Linux. How hard is it…

Well if they provided a MKV file for sale then anyone could use it on their devices how they see fit. Similarly to how people can download mp3 files and play them on any device they want.

The current situation is that I have to watch TV shows via EME within Chrome or Flash or Silverlight (non of which I would otherwise have near my computer) or not be able to pay the content producers any money (which I like doing because I want new content created). It is as if I had to own a sony TV to tune into certain channels and a panasonic TV to watch others.

If they want to prevent piracy then simply watermark the MKV files individually, register the sales and sue the buyers who's MKVs end up being torrented.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by towelguy »

Tenoke wrote: post #53
DigitalSea wrote: post #7

You know the traditional business model of Hollywood is well and truly broken when an open source application like Popcorn Time comes along and does everything right. What Popcorn Time has done by making accessing content on demand easier than ever before is nothing short of impressive. They're the Netflix of piracy and I think Hollywood can learn a lot from Popcorn Time (but as history has proven, they won't).

Even barring monetization aside, Popcorn Time is far from doing everything right. Have you tried watching a show/movie that isn't among the most popular? Chances are there wouldn't be enough seeders to get a decent experience.

Paradoxically, torrenting sometimes is the only way to get an obscure show/movie they don't even sell anymore. I'll take few seeders over nothing at all.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by rhino369 »

ThomPete wrote: post #184
rhino369 wrote: post #182

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The bits aren't scarce but the idea and content is. The idea of intellectual property is no more artificial than real estate property or personal property. In my opinion it is even more defensible than real estate. The IP was created out of nothing by the creator. Land? The universe created it and someone just took it by force.

We aren't lacking ideas neither content, quite the contrary. And they aren't created out of nothing but that's a whole other discussion I am glad to have in another thread.

The sort of complex ideas to create a movie script or a song are lacking, especially good ones. Just because it's easy doesn't mean it isn't scarce.

Any moron could make a cup, but cups don't have zero scarcity. And its easier to make a copy than a whole story for a movie.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by senorito »

shmerl wrote: post #193
senorito wrote: post #113

What is the big deal about this at all? Seriously, I don't get it. All I can see is that I can choose from some movies and stream them. But that's neither innovative nor new ...

You can also save them, since it has no DRM. That's "innovative" (semi-sarcasm intended). Meaning that it's actually consumer friendly, unlike what is normally offered.

vodly.to f.x. seems to offer way more advanced and comfortable Digital Left Management ...

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by nacs »

slang800 wrote: post #98
SchizoDuckie wrote: post #32

> Coinado is a remote torrenting service. We do the torrenting for you, worry about seeding, keep your privacy and deliver the file over an encrypted connection. Requesting a file is simple. You just append the info hash of the torrent to the Coinado domain and when you start the download, the torrenting happens transparently on our servers and a minute later the file starts streaming to you. That sounds like a solid…

Aww, that's a shame. I was really hoping that this was a clever use of websockets like http://webtorrent.io is.

> I was really hoping that this was a clever use of websockets like http://webtorrent.io is

WebRTC not websockets.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by astalwick »

chasing wrote: post #191
astalwick wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not oppression, you're right. It's way, way smaller than that. My little act of 'defiance' is way smaller than it would be if it were exactly oppression, too. I'm pirating content. I'm watching something that I want to watch, and at the same time, I'm hoping that my small increment of the 'pirated_copies_of_got' metric causes someone at HBO to go and sort out the way they distribute content outside of the US. Li…

Look, you don't want to pay for it. For you, free is better than having to shell out money. I wish people would just stop with their dumb moral workarounds. The show costs $X. You don't want to pay. You know how to get the content via other means. And so you do. Don't embarrass yourself further by claiming you're somehow helping HBO out by going against their wishes and pirating the show they produced. You don't know…

I'm not trying to help HBO at all. Seriously, not. Couldn't care less about HBO. And you're right, I don't want to pay for it, not when it's priced like that and the distribution mechanisms in Canada are so broken.

But look: all of these American companies look at Canada, Australia, the UK, etc and go "you know what, we're just going to focus on the US." .

That's so amazingly frustrating. So, yes, I honestly do hope that HBO sees the international piracy numbers and sorts out its sketchy content deals with Bell Media and launches HBO Go in Canada. Until the TV/Movie industry gets its act together, I'll pirate. (Since music is available to stream in Canada, I don't pirate music. Simple as that.)

As for my job: a) my personal opinion has nothing to do with my company, but b) I'm pretty comfortable with how Wavo empowers musicians and artists. We're a small company, so the fully-realized vision is still a ways off, but fundamentally the goal of Wavo is to help artists. There are no contradictions here.

Re: Popcorn Time in Your Browser

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Post by nacs »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #28
k-mcgrady wrote: post #15

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It's much easier to streamline something when you don't have to follow any of the rules. The movie industry has to think of distribution agreements, localising content and maximising profit - just like any other business. When you have nothing to lose you can do what you want. I guess they've gotten close to this with Netflix. There are still geo-restrictions there and not all content is available but for most people…

Note that it's easy to get a false dichotomy here, to think it's just between "paying" and "not paying" - if forced, people also have the simple option to "not watch". I think what's needed is something like Steam or GOG, but for Movies. Preferably with un-DRM downloads because fuck if I'm watching movies in Flash. (Same goes for Silverlight - mplayer or fuck you. Torrents let me watch with mplayer. On finicky graphi…

> what's needed is something like Steam or GOG, but for Movies. Preferably with un-DRM

Steam games have Steam DRM, it's just not as annoying as other DRM options. Agreed, GOG is great however (0 DRM).

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