Have you sorted out internet connection onboard? That is often a problem / very expensive on cruises.
PyCruise 2016
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#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://gist.github.com/ChrisPickard/af2c318468aae9c01b9b
Thank you. I don't understand the issue that someone would have with these words unless they're looking to do something that is prohibited. Is a conservative mindset where they're looking to keep things the way they were? Do they feel that taking the effort to be as inclusive as possible hinders growth? What's the beef?
The poster here seems to legitimately view it as an attack on some sort of perceived group identity, that it is somehow being imposed on them from the outside.
Of course, the people writing the codes of conduct are speaking for themselves, not the perceived group identity mentioned above, and the poster is attempting to speak on behalf of the group they see, probably without carefully apprehending the range of opinions that exist within the group.
I'd also consider the idea that much of the push back is disingenuous sophistry coming from people that enjoy going to conferences and hassling people.
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#33This is the coolest thing I've seen in a while when it comes to conference. As someone with a young family, I cringe when I have to think about going to another city for a conference, which is all the time because I live in Cleveland. Its not the travel, I rather like traveling: its leaving the wife with the kids and just up and going. This allows me to take the kids and wife, and not feel too bad about abandoning th…
This is exactly why I'm organizing it. I have two kids (and a husband who likes to have me around), and it's always a bit of chaos when I leave for a conference.
I organized Code on the Sea 2015 (http://www.codeonthesea.com/) back in Feb/March, and it was a very rewarding experience.
Best of luck with your cruise conference!
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#34Have you sorted out internet connection onboard? That is often a problem / very expensive on cruises.
That's exactly what I was wondering. A boat full of software engineers is going to want some internet...
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#35http://www.pycruise.com/coc.html Am I the only one here who finds these do more harm than good? I specifically avoid cons to boycott this political correctness. Its also a slap in the face to the maturity of python developers. I'm offended to read it. Frankly, I don't want my pic blasted around the world for a joke.
Let me see if I understand... You want to be able to say anything you want without repercussions. However, if someone else decides to say what they want in response, that is "blast your pic around the world", you are offended. So your definition of censorship seems to be: "leting others call me on my bullshit". That is an odd definition.
Harassment is subjective.
An outsider who doesn't program Python eaves drops two Python programmers. She interjected, took a photo without permission. Who bullied who?
Outsiders from twitter and political wiki's who don't program try to hijack the discourse of a community on the forefront of diversity. Open source already welcomed programmers. What are we to make of these outsiders?
Codes of conduct are welcome bait for professional victims and attention seekers with no intention of coding.
Would you be convinced if I compiled the statistics in a blog post?
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let me see if I understand... You want to be able to say anything you want without repercussions. However, if someone else decides to say what they want in response, that is "blast your pic around the world", you are offended. So your definition of censorship seems to be: "leting others call me on my bullshit". That is an odd definition.
Harassment is subjective. An outsider who doesn't program Python eaves drops two Python programmers. She interjected, took a photo without permission. Who bullied who? Outsiders from twitter and political wiki's who don't program try to hijack the discourse of a community on the forefront of diversity. Open source already welcomed programmers. What are we to make of these outsiders? Codes of conduct are welcome bait…
Tech culture is not even close to being on the forefront of diversity. It's a fucking embarrassment, actually. minorities are severely underrepresented in tech, and we need more of them. Diversity, and diversity of viewpoints is a great thing
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> you're exactly the sort of developers conferences want to filter I would hope conferences want to filter actual harrassers, not people who feel uneasy about the slight social engineering and censorship undertones of Codes of Conduct.
> censorship saying "don't yell racial epithets" and "don't tell women to make you a sandwich" is not even close to censorship. That's called being a decent person
I can't quite believe I'm being sucked into the vortex of irrationality and tedium that is the "Code of Conduct" debate, but if you cannot see that the various codes of conduct in the F/OSS community obviously go beyond merely labelling racist slurs as inappropriate then I'm not sure how we can move forward.
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#38Cruise ships are kind of ecologically awful.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_ship#Environmental_impa...
As a Mexican who has seen our beaches gradually destroyed by endless visiting cruise ships year after year, I feel compelled to remind people how terrible they are for the planet.
Not to mention, they are also super legally sleazy. They are often harboured at countries that have no legal protections. If something happens to you on a cruise ship, it's your own damn problem. Being registered in those tiny corrupt countries also means that they don't have to answer for their ecological destruction.
http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/3-dark-facts-cruise-lines...
I wish I could be excited about going to such an event. It seems like it would be super fun. But I don't want my fun to promote such evils. I am very saddened by the coral reef destruction I have witnessed first hand throughout my life.
http://www.marineinsight.com/marine/environment/how-ships-ar...
http://notigodinez.com/empresa-constructora-de-muelle-dana-g...
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
> you're exactly the sort of developers conferences want to filter I would hope conferences want to filter actual harrassers, not people who feel uneasy about the slight social engineering and censorship undertones of Codes of Conduct.
> censorship saying "don't yell racial epithets" and "don't tell women to make you a sandwich" is not even close to censorship. That's called being a decent person
This is a complex question, don't reduce it to the one dimensional "decent person" angle. If it would be so simple, the CoC would consist of one phrase: "use common sense during communication with others".
I understand and emphasize the need for a comfortable experience for all members of the conference.
However, I'd like to present you and others with a hypothetical scenario. The CoC states "Harassment includes offensive verbal comments related to ... religion...".
Simple and factual statement that scientology is a total sham (this statement can be easily extended towards most organized religions) would put the speaker in violation of the CoC. Does that seem reasonable to you?
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#40Earlier quoted context omitted.
> censorship saying "don't yell racial epithets" and "don't tell women to make you a sandwich" is not even close to censorship. That's called being a decent person
This is a complex question, don't reduce it to the one dimensional "decent person" angle. If it would be so simple, the CoC would consist of one phrase: "use common sense during communication with others". I understand and emphasize the need for a comfortable experience for all members of the conference. However, I'd like to present you and others with a hypothetical scenario. The CoC states "Harassment includes offe…
I expect the remedy in that situation would be to recommend that the speaker and offended person not discuss religion any further. The horror.
I guess it would be harder to deal with for someone giving a talk, but contrive away why it is necessary for a talk about python to make simple factual statements about various religions.