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Re: CEO Wanted University Scientists Dismissed Over Link Between Fracking and Quakes

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Post by crimsonalucard » Tue, May 19, 2015, 1:19 AM UTC

ams6110 wrote: post #19

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Nature is a socialist.

Nature is really the ultimate capitalist. Survival of the fittest. No safety nets, no sympathy for the losers... they just go extinct.

No, nature is not necessarily about survival of the fittest. This is a huge misconception.

Nature is about equilibrium and balance. I'm not touting some spiritual mumbo jumbo either. Their are many examples where the fittest consume unsustainably and destroy their own environment in a sort of ironic suicide.

The ones that survive are the ones that live in harmony with nature, not necessarily the fittest. This is why we see so many balanced ecosystems in nature; because these types of systems are the only ones that don't overload and die out.

Re: CEO Wanted University Scientists Dismissed Over Link Between Fracking and Quakes

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Post by green-in-gold » Tue, May 19, 2015, 2:43 AM UTC

Biggest surprise to me is that it's Bloomberg reporting this. A signal that the mainstream corporate media is starting to care about climate change?

Re: CEO Wanted University Scientists Dismissed Over Link Between Fracking and Quakes

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Post by brucefancher » Tue, May 19, 2015, 2:47 AM UTC

green-in-gold wrote: post #52

Biggest surprise to me is that it's Bloomberg reporting this. A signal that the mainstream corporate media is starting to care about climate change?

You do realize that a) the so-called "mainstream corporate media" has been hysterical about global warming^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hclimate change for twenty years and b) this story is about earthquakes, not climate.

Re: CEO Wanted University Scientists Dismissed Over Link Between Fracking and Quakes

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Post by intrasight » Tue, May 19, 2015, 2:56 AM UTC

undersuit wrote: post #50

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It's not that black and white. Ant colonies are ultimate socialist societies - communist even. From each ant according to its ability, to each according to its need

Too much anthropomorphism. Ant colonies aren't a socialist society, they are an organism. One ant is no more capable than one human cell.

Too much "ant-thropomorphism"

Re: CEO Wanted University Scientists Dismissed Over Link Between Fracking and Quakes

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Post by palmer_eldritch » Tue, May 19, 2015, 10:08 AM UTC

LordKano wrote: post #29

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And the species with the most money gets to opt-out of extinction? I don't follow.

Perhaps. It's likely that humanity would survive the kind of event that lead to the extinction of the dinosaurs. We have underground facilities and stores of food/water that would permit the species to survive an event that lead to the sun being blocked out for 5 years or so.

Only the small part of humanity which has the most money would be allowed to survive though.

Re: CEO Wanted University Scientists Dismissed Over Link Between Fracking and Quakes

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Post by LordKano » Tue, May 19, 2015, 1:56 PM UTC

palmer_eldritch wrote: post #55

LordKano wrote: post #29

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Perhaps. It's likely that humanity would survive the kind of event that lead to the extinction of the dinosaurs. We have underground facilities and stores of food/water that would permit the species to survive an event that lead to the sun being blocked out for 5 years or so.

Only the small part of humanity which has the most money would be allowed to survive though.

The species survives even if only a small percentage of the individuals do.

Sometimes, that's the best for which we can hope.

Re: CEO Wanted University Scientists Dismissed Over Link Between Fracking and Quakes

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Post by johndevor » Wed, May 20, 2015, 2:33 PM UTC

Cshelton wrote: post #46

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by definition it is not. just like communism isn't regular socialism. the world, collectively, could use much more political science education. the same could be said for nearly all bitcoin supporters (especially in the early days)

No matter what 'ism', greed is common among all of them, simply because it is a trait of human nature in many. And no known economic/social system ever tried has overcome greed...or some ruling power that kills everyone that is against them..I consider that to be a bit greedy...

No, but capitalism works to reduce. The provider that can give you more for less always wins. The energy company that can produce more energy from a more efficient turbine wins. The cell phone company that makes your cell phone smaller (and with smaller packaging) wins.

Socialism has brought us unbridled wars and crony capitalism. My argument is simply 1) capitalism is preferred and 2) socialism inevitably creates crony capitalism. Therefore, we should perhaps see what happens without the socialism part. The USA during the 19th century was thriving, at a time when socialist restrictions were nearly non-existent.