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Poor Little Rich Women

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Re: Poor Little Rich Women

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Weird. Why would someone give a bonus to his wife? I can't even remotely get behind this way of thinking. Is this plain conditioning or a just playful kind of meme these rich people invented for fun?

The bonuses help the husbands believe the illusion that they are in charge.

Re: Poor Little Rich Women

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The OP doesn't seem to aknowledge the agency of those women. They are free, consentient adults who agreed on such lifestyle and its tradeoffs. If anything, the article echoes the stigma toward stay-at-home mothers and family oriented couples.

Don't you know yet that neurobiology has shown that free will/agency is a myth? (I'm also replying here to all the other comments about a so-called "choice") These women are culturally conditioned to think it's acceptable for them to not contribute back to society by being producers and they perpetuate making gender roles culturally acceptable.

Re: Poor Little Rich Women

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parasitism in general is not completely harmful: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parasitism#Value nor is it always forced on the host: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helminthic_therapy In the case described in the article the males are obviously getting something out of the symbiotic relationship, but it's nowhere near what the females are getting. I'm sticking to my figurative use of "parasitism" to describe the imbalanc…

These are smart, rich, and powerful men, yet some how they are "snookered" in to the short end of the stick? Seems unlikely.

Do you know of any other way they could procreate and provide the best environment for their children to grow in, all the while keeping a high social status and level of respectability?

Re: Poor Little Rich Women

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This is such waste. These women went to prestigious universities to earn degrees that they won't use. They are just parasites on their husbands' wealth, which in turn is generated through parasitic exchanges of companies' wealth valuations. They would do better to stop coddling their children and go back to work; that way, at least they could use their resources to better the world.

Re: Poor Little Rich Women

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It's sad to read this. Particularly when earning money is so self-empowering.

I read this article recently, and it provided a stark contrast to the NYT article- http://www.vogue.co.uk/news/2015/05/18/miuccia-prada-advice-...

For many women (including myself), work and earning money is often a source of pride and self-respect.

Re: Poor Little Rich Women

#76

The OP doesn't seem to aknowledge the agency of those women. They are free, consentient adults who agreed on such lifestyle and its tradeoffs. If anything, the article echoes the stigma toward stay-at-home mothers and family oriented couples.

Don't you know yet that neurobiology has shown that free will/agency is a myth? (I'm also replying here to all the other comments about a so-called "choice") These women are culturally conditioned to think it's acceptable for them to not contribute back to society by being producers and they perpetuate making gender roles culturally acceptable.

> conditioned to think it's acceptable for them to not contribute back to society by being producers

Maybe you've been conditioned to think that raising children does not contribute to society. I guess having both partners working to death is the new normal. Such widespread belief might explain why employers don't respect paternity leaves.

Re: Poor Little Rich Women

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are smart, rich, and powerful men, yet some how they are "snookered" in to the short end of the stick? Seems unlikely.

Do you know of any other way they could procreate and provide the best environment for their children to grow in, all the while keeping a high social status and level of respectability?

"procreate and provide the best environment for their children to grow in, all the while keeping a high social status and level of respectability"

This is the bargain they've made. It's a rather simple exchange. "Parasitic" is a loaded term here, by applying it you're displaying that you have some sort of political axe to grind.

This was also the sentiment being expressed above, when someone said that what you said sounded "judgmental" -- an accusation that you dismissed by being, or pretending to be, oblivious to it's true intent: "you're attaching pejorative terms to these women, without enough information to make a fair case for it."

Re: Poor Little Rich Women

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't you know yet that neurobiology has shown that free will/agency is a myth? (I'm also replying here to all the other comments about a so-called "choice") These women are culturally conditioned to think it's acceptable for them to not contribute back to society by being producers and they perpetuate making gender roles culturally acceptable.

> conditioned to think it's acceptable for them to not contribute back to society by being producers Maybe you've been conditioned to think that raising children does not contribute to society. I guess having both partners working to death is the new normal. Such widespread belief might explain why employers don't respect paternity leaves.

Maybe you've been conditioned to think that only women have the magical power to raise children?

Re: Poor Little Rich Women

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you know of any other way they could procreate and provide the best environment for their children to grow in, all the while keeping a high social status and level of respectability?

"procreate and provide the best environment for their children to grow in, all the while keeping a high social status and level of respectability" This is the bargain they've made. It's a rather simple exchange. "Parasitic" is a loaded term here, by applying it you're displaying that you have some sort of political axe to grind. This was also the sentiment being expressed above, when someone said that what you said s…

> It's a rather simple exchange.

It's an obviously imbalanced exchange. We don't take intestinal worms out of the parasites category just because they help us prevent autoimmune diseases.

> you're attaching pejorative terms to these women, without enough information to make a fair case for it

No, I'm just trying to be objective. If I wanted to insult them I could have called them prostitutes with a single, long-term client.

Re: Poor Little Rich Women

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"procreate and provide the best environment for their children to grow in, all the while keeping a high social status and level of respectability" This is the bargain they've made. It's a rather simple exchange. "Parasitic" is a loaded term here, by applying it you're displaying that you have some sort of political axe to grind. This was also the sentiment being expressed above, when someone said that what you said s…

> It's a rather simple exchange. It's an obviously imbalanced exchange. We don't take intestinal worms out of the parasites category just because they help us prevent autoimmune diseases. > you're attaching pejorative terms to these women, without enough information to make a fair case for it No, I'm just trying to be objective. If I wanted to insult them I could have called them prostitutes with a single, long-term…

Once again, the words you choose betray antipathy towards women. Each phrase is packed with loaded words; it makes it impossible to have a legitimate discussion.

Sorry for whatever experiences you've had that led to this.

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