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The case for drinking whole milk

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Re: The case for drinking whole milk

#51
I find this article funny.

>Though it would seem to follow that consuming less fat would lead to being less fat, that’s not quite what the science says, at least when it comes to dairy—even if whole milk is more caloric than skim.

It mentions about some scientific reason for it but then talks about bunch of high level case studies and that's all.

On a side note, I find most of these case studies a scam, where they exaggerate and manipulate numbers to make it sound scary or utterly interesting for reader's attention.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

#52
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Satiety is everything. The reason overweight individuals have a tough time is that they are not satieted by carb laden foods and thus crave more. Many have broken that cycle with ketogenic diets which are higher in fat.

Satiety is nothing. The reason overweight individuals have a tough time is that they are VERY satieted by carb foods but because the brain produce Dopamine they crave it and can't stop. Fat people = addicted to Dopamine. They will eat cookies, sandwiches and other simple carbs every day and between meals. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2381335/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/processed-carbohydrates-are-addi...

Certainly true, carbs are addicting. But perhaps the satieting effect of fats can help individuals curb their hunger.

http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/9683329 http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v32/n11/abs/ijo2008166a.ht...

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

#53
post #37

If you're drinking whole milk, you're getting a mix of fat and sugar. If you're drinking skim milk, you've removed the fat and kept the sugar. Skim milk's popularity is a result of the low-fat fad (perpetuated by the US government and others) which made everyone scared to eat anything with fat in it. But the fat is actually the good part of milk, so if you don't want the milk fat you're better off picking another dri…

Some people want to drink milk but they don't want nearly twice the calories of whole over skim. It's fine in moderation, like anything else.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

#54
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Satiety is everything. The reason overweight individuals have a tough time is that they are not satieted by carb laden foods and thus crave more. Many have broken that cycle with ketogenic diets which are higher in fat.

Satiety is nothing. The reason overweight individuals have a tough time is that they are VERY satieted by carb foods but because the brain produce Dopamine they crave it and can't stop. Fat people = addicted to Dopamine. They will eat cookies, sandwiches and other simple carbs every day and between meals. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2381335/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/processed-carbohydrates-are-addi...

Satiety is more than nothing yet less than everything. Are you equating satiety to feeling satisfied (as in happy)? Because satiety doesn't mean that. It means feeling full. Most obese people I know rarely ever feel satiety. Most feel hungry all the time (because they don't have satiety). When most people feel full and continue eating food which leads to feeling engorged, they stop eating because they soon feel miserable. Sugars and carbs usually don't lead to satiety, fats tend to.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

#55
post #45

All milk sold (legally) in the US is processed, because it must undergo pasteurization, a heating process that kills pathogens. Outside of a small group of raw milk activists, this is generally accepted as a positive. I have been drinking raw milk (just cooled) for over two years now. It's sold here (in Poland but also in Eastern Europe in general) from free-standing machines[1]. It's ~4% fat, slightly more expensive…

You can't have an "epidemic" from drinking raw milk, since it's not a contagious disease.

However, two of my daughter's classmates were hospitalized just a few years ago from drinking raw milk. It was touch and go for a while, but they recovered and didn't need kidney transplants. http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2012/04/raw_milk_...

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

#56
post #45

All milk sold (legally) in the US is processed, because it must undergo pasteurization, a heating process that kills pathogens. Outside of a small group of raw milk activists, this is generally accepted as a positive. I have been drinking raw milk (just cooled) for over two years now. It's sold here (in Poland but also in Eastern Europe in general) from free-standing machines[1]. It's ~4% fat, slightly more expensive…

You can't have an "epidemic" from drinking raw milk, since it's not a contagious disease. However, two of my daughter's classmates were hospitalized just a few years ago from drinking raw milk. It was touch and go for a while, but they recovered and didn't need kidney transplants. http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2012/04/raw_milk_...

>You can't have an "epidemic" from drinking raw milk, since it's not a contagious disease.

Is that really a requirement? Wikipedia says "infectious disease", and, for example, here's a study that refers to an "epidemic" of foodborne illness: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7727673

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

#57
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Satiety is nothing. The reason overweight individuals have a tough time is that they are VERY satieted by carb foods but because the brain produce Dopamine they crave it and can't stop. Fat people = addicted to Dopamine. They will eat cookies, sandwiches and other simple carbs every day and between meals. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2381335/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/processed-carbohydrates-are-addi...

Certainly true, carbs are addicting. But perhaps the satieting effect of fats can help individuals curb their hunger. http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/9683329 http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v32/n11/abs/ijo2008166a.ht...

there is no hunger believe me, there is craving. If you've been on cocaine you will know what i am talking about. Fats are really not important here, staying away from all simple carbs is the key to battle addiction. But fats are good anyway. Also some research shows that heart attacks are actually from carbs, not fats. check out Cereal Killers Movie

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

#58
post #54
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Satiety is nothing. The reason overweight individuals have a tough time is that they are VERY satieted by carb foods but because the brain produce Dopamine they crave it and can't stop. Fat people = addicted to Dopamine. They will eat cookies, sandwiches and other simple carbs every day and between meals. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2381335/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/processed-carbohydrates-are-addi...

Satiety is more than nothing yet less than everything. Are you equating satiety to feeling satisfied (as in happy)? Because satiety doesn't mean that. It means feeling full. Most obese people I know rarely ever feel satiety. Most feel hungry all the time (because they don't have satiety). When most people feel full and continue eating food which leads to feeling engorged, they stop eating because they soon feel miser…

craving != hunger

Addiction to carbs has the same mechanism as addiction to cocaine

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

#59
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't have an "epidemic" from drinking raw milk, since it's not a contagious disease. However, two of my daughter's classmates were hospitalized just a few years ago from drinking raw milk. It was touch and go for a while, but they recovered and didn't need kidney transplants. http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index.ssf/2012/04/raw_milk_...

>You can't have an "epidemic" from drinking raw milk, since it's not a contagious disease. Is that really a requirement? Wikipedia says "infectious disease", and, for example, here's a study that refers to an "epidemic" of foodborne illness: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7727673

Interesting. I didn't appreciate that the word "epidemic" has such a broad use (from Wikipedia):

   An epidemic disease is not required to be
   contagious, and the term has been applied
   to West Nile fever and the obesity epidemic,
   among others.
The E. coli O157:H7 the girls acquired was foodborne. We don't routinely practice cannibalism in this state, so there was no danger of the outbreak continuing to spread once the farm in question stopped distributing raw milk.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

#60
post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Satiety is everything. The reason overweight individuals have a tough time is that they are not satieted by carb laden foods and thus crave more. Many have broken that cycle with ketogenic diets which are higher in fat.

Satiety is nothing. The reason overweight individuals have a tough time is that they are VERY satieted by carb foods but because the brain produce Dopamine they crave it and can't stop. Fat people = addicted to Dopamine. They will eat cookies, sandwiches and other simple carbs every day and between meals. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2381335/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/processed-carbohydrates-are-addi...

I would suggest you investigate the prospect that the fundamental human condition involves "dopamine addiction", as dopamine activity is literally the thing our brain does to trigger pleasure in our mind - it is the primary neurochemical mechanism of that feeling. Dopamine-moderated pleasure, or some variant of it, is a basic drive (perhaps synonymous with 'basic drive', with motivation itself) that we likely share with the entirety of the animal kingdom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reward_system

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine#Animals

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/201...

I would also point out that fat people very rarely eat much above their natural metabolic burn rate. Instead, people who are presently gaining weight are doing so. Someone who eats an extra 500 calories per day over what their body demands (call it one, one and a half grilled cheese or PB&J sandwiches) gains 1 pound per week, and has gained 52 pounds after 1 year. A fat person who has a stable weight is not eating excess food. The reason you see them eating more food than you, is that when we gain weight, our body demands more energy to feed that body mass; Losing a pound at 130lbs weight requires a similar amount of discomfort & deprivation as losing a pound at 330lbs weight. For them to be feeding a body two and a half times as large on a similar diet as a stable-weight 130lbs person, would represent a very rapid, very uncomfortable weight loss, a starvation diet.

Usually, people gaining weight put on pounds slowly; Gaining 26 lbs per year is a 250 calories per day excess. They're only eating 10 or 15% more than they should be to maintain their weight. This is not the behavior of an out-of-control addict chasing the dragon, but a largely functional feedback loop responding to a slight artificial bias in favor of extra food, or less exercise, than it's naturally tuned for (or at least, than it was subjected to previous to the obesity epidemic).

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