I still think pacman is far superior to yum or apt-get
Why?
Because I have been using Archlinux full time for a while now. It's dead simple to make PKGBUILDs and maintain your own packages. Yum and RPM? forget it.
Yum is dead, long live DNF
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Re: Yum is dead, long live DNF
#32Serious question, because I am admittedly ignorant to the plusses and minuses of the different package managers. If you're going to swap out: why not switch to apt? What does apt lack that DNF is going to provide? This seems like one of those low hanging fruit where standardization across distributions would make sense.
Everyone should switch to Portage. It's like a superset of every package manager.
No, it really isn't. Portage poorly solves, or neglects to solve, most of the problems dnf is intended to solve with yum, and is, on many fronts inferior to yum, as well.
Re: Yum is dead, long live DNF
#33Re: Yum is dead, long live DNF
#34I still think pacman is far superior to yum or apt-get
Why?
I like it way more than apt at least. I don't have to use apt-cache, apt-get, apt-kitchensink to do what I want. Its all just subcommands of pacman. Its like vim vs nano - the later has the commands in the shell, but they aren't nearly as fast or power to use as vim if you take the time to learn it. Ironically, I use nano most of the time because I'm not terminal-locked enough to get vim muscle memory, but I use pacman enough to remember everything.
Zypper is actually fairly good. Still way more verbose than it needs to be, but it seems like a fair compromise between "apt-get stupidly-oversized-function-name" and "why the fuck does -Sy mean grab updated package lists from the repo".
Re: Yum is dead, long live DNF
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why?
Because I have been using Archlinux full time for a while now. It's dead simple to make PKGBUILDs and maintain your own packages. Yum and RPM? forget it.
I just made my first pkgbuild yesterday and threw it on the AUR. Having come from, first, using launchpad (eech) to using the OBS (blargh) how are pkgbuilds not "the final solution" again? They are incredibly fantastic to write and use.
Re: Yum is dead, long live DNF
#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why?
I like it way more than apt at least. I don't have to use apt-cache, apt-get, apt-kitchensink to do what I want. Its all just subcommands of pacman. Its like vim vs nano - the later has the commands in the shell, but they aren't nearly as fast or power to use as vim if you take the time to learn it. Ironically, I use nano most of the time because I'm not terminal-locked enough to get vim muscle memory, but I use pacm…
Yes the `-Sy` bit is a bit cumbersome / annoying. I would have much preferred `pacman update -s` and `pacman remove `.
When I have to install a font on my machine that isn't in AUR I'll just roll up a PKGBUILD, install it and dust my hands off. Makes it incredibly easy to remove the packages later if I no longer need them.
Re: Yum is dead, long live DNF
#37I may be a sentimental old fool, but I feel a vague sense of sadness at the removal of yum. Seth Vidal, the original author of yum (or, the fellow who forked it from Yellow Dog Updater, and made it yum), was one of the sweetest, brightest, and most helpful developers I've interacted with in my long history with Open Source. He was killed a few years back when he was hit by a car while cycling, and yum has never quite been the same without him, but I occasionally think of him when using yum.
I wish they'd keep the yum name, since dnf is still based on yum, even if a lot of the innards have been replaced. Also, "dnf" is not at all awesome to say out loud, while "yum" is among the most awesome commands to say out loud.
Re: Yum is dead, long live DNF
#38So, like, what is a package manager and what does it need to do? All the distros have one. All the lanaguages have one. Why do we have so many of these things and is all the complexity necessary? All our configuration management tools try to abstract the differences. The list goes on on and with these things. As I start down the path of doing more and more operations/systems administration I find myself asking the question over and over: What are we doing with our lives?
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why?
I like it way more than apt at least. I don't have to use apt-cache, apt-get, apt-kitchensink to do what I want. Its all just subcommands of pacman. Its like vim vs nano - the later has the commands in the shell, but they aren't nearly as fast or power to use as vim if you take the time to learn it. Ironically, I use nano most of the time because I'm not terminal-locked enough to get vim muscle memory, but I use pacm…
You can also use `aptitude`, available on both Debian and Ubuntu. It addresses your complaints and it's the first package I install.
Re: Yum is dead, long live DNF
#40I may be a sentimental old fool, but I feel a vague sense of sadness at the removal of yum. Seth Vidal, the original author of yum (or, the fellow who forked it from Yellow Dog Updater, and made it yum), was one of the sweetest, brightest, and most helpful developers I've interacted with in my long history with Open Source. He was killed a few years back when he was hit by a car while cycling, and yum has never quite…
I never had a chance to interact with him but I share the same feeling. I'm probably too an old fool but I really liked YUM.