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The case for drinking whole milk

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Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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65,000+ different animals on Earth weened on their mothers milk, only 1 continues to consumes milk outside of infancy (and from another animal altogether!)...

Majority of adults should avoid dairy products, would be order of magnitude more healthy if calories were replaced with green vegetables.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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The credibility of all nutrition recommendations/research has been shot to hell by decades of flip-flopping. Trans-fats are safe! No wait, they really aren't, so forget that they were in pervasive use for 25+ years. Don't eat cholesterol! No, forget about that. Coffee is healthy! No it's unhealthy! No healthy! Unhealthy! There's no way to trust any of this. Whatever decisions are made now I expect to read about the b…

Agreed. The most glaring example of this was the low-fat guidance given during the 80's and 90's in the US. Sugar and high glycemic index carbohydrates were hardly discussed.

So true although a little ironic that you mention glycemic index, which is a VERY minor issue. Beef spikes insulin more than white rice.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

#43

>Surprise! Dairy fat actually helps avoid obesity I think the study over looks the most likely physiological reasoning for this, primarily suggesting it is a matter of satiety (feeling fuller consuming less). People like to hinge on the concept of calories in/calories out, then highlight short term diets of ice cream and Twinkies where people still lose weight because of the caloric intake management. Notwithstanding…

Satiety is everything. The reason overweight individuals have a tough time is that they are not satieted by carb laden foods and thus crave more. Many have broken that cycle with ketogenic diets which are higher in fat.

Satiety is nothing. The reason overweight individuals have a tough time is that they are VERY satieted by carb foods but because the brain produce Dopamine they crave it and can't stop. Fat people = addicted to Dopamine. They will eat cookies, sandwiches and other simple carbs every day and between meals.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2381335/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/processed-carbohydrates-are-addi...

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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65,000+ different animals on Earth weened on their mothers milk, only 1 continues to consumes milk outside of infancy (and from another animal altogether!)... Majority of adults should avoid dairy products, would be order of magnitude more healthy if calories were replaced with green vegetables.

But among those 65000+ animals, only one has successfully increased its average lifespan significantly in the past 1000+ years. Chief reasons being advancements in sanitation, medicine, and overall diet quality. So "going back to nature" cannot be naively taken as always good.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

#45
All milk sold (legally) in the US is processed, because it must undergo pasteurization, a heating process that kills pathogens. Outside of a small group of raw milk activists, this is generally accepted as a positive.

I have been drinking raw milk (just cooled) for over two years now. It's sold here (in Poland but also in Eastern Europe in general) from free-standing machines[1].

It's ~4% fat, slightly more expensive but much tastier. Doesn't keep as well as one sold in a box but you can still drink it with curd on top.

I haven't heard of any epidemics.

[1] https://i.imgur.com/7MhxOuZ.jpg

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should we also stop eating green vegetables? Passed six months, cows only consume grass, and look how quickly they add mass.

I'm impressed by your ability to leap logical canyons. As you point out. Milk is for baby animals. Cow milk is for cows. Adult humans are neither babies nor cows. Green vegetables are for all omni/herbivores.

I wasn't trying to argue the pros and cons of milk and dairy consumption, I was trying to ridicule the argument that fast growth of new born mamals is due to milk consumption and your how the doctor arrived to that conclusion.

New borns are "programmed" to grow fast. They do need energy to allow this growth, but consumption of milk is not the reason. There are a lot of baby humans who are dairy intolerant, they are fed with non-dairy replacements, and surprise, they grow at the same rate as other babies.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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Would not really be surprised if new research leads us to rethink the last few decades of "research". One might wonder what has really caused the obesity epidemic. I personally prefer milk straight from the tank. Cold and non-processed :-)

Wouldn't it be warm?

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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post #45

All milk sold (legally) in the US is processed, because it must undergo pasteurization, a heating process that kills pathogens. Outside of a small group of raw milk activists, this is generally accepted as a positive. I have been drinking raw milk (just cooled) for over two years now. It's sold here (in Poland but also in Eastern Europe in general) from free-standing machines[1]. It's ~4% fat, slightly more expensive…

> I haven't heard of any epidemics.

People in the US have had kidney failure as a result of raw milk. That's pretty risky considering not many people drink it.

If I knew what the Polish is for "kidney failure" I could probably find the Polish children who were made very ill by parents imposing their fads.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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post #48
post #45

All milk sold (legally) in the US is processed, because it must undergo pasteurization, a heating process that kills pathogens. Outside of a small group of raw milk activists, this is generally accepted as a positive. I have been drinking raw milk (just cooled) for over two years now. It's sold here (in Poland but also in Eastern Europe in general) from free-standing machines[1]. It's ~4% fat, slightly more expensive…

> I haven't heard of any epidemics. People in the US have had kidney failure as a result of raw milk. That's pretty risky considering not many people drink it. If I knew what the Polish is for "kidney failure" I could probably find the Polish children who were made very ill by parents imposing their fads.

It's "niewydolność nerek" and I don't see anything about it with connection to milk other than reprints of American studies.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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Would not really be surprised if new research leads us to rethink the last few decades of "research". One might wonder what has really caused the obesity epidemic. I personally prefer milk straight from the tank. Cold and non-processed :-)

Wouldn't it be warm?

They pump the milk out of the cow, into a tank. And periodically the milk company comes and take all of it. I guess it is to preserve it inbetween pick-up.

So, it is cold in the tank. And taste really good!

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