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The case for drinking whole milk

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Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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The credibility of all nutrition recommendations/research has been shot to hell by decades of flip-flopping. Trans-fats are safe! No wait, they really aren't, so forget that they were in pervasive use for 25+ years. Don't eat cholesterol! No, forget about that. Coffee is healthy! No it's unhealthy! No healthy! Unhealthy! There's no way to trust any of this. Whatever decisions are made now I expect to read about the b…

I still remember the salt scare. Ridiculous on the face of it..

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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post #11

One more little wrinkle: I don't think I can recall ever seeing semi-skimmed milk priced at a discount to whole milk at retail. Someone's got themselves a nice little earner selling off that removed dairy fat.

Every time I checked, semi-skimmed was at least a few cents cheaper. I only ever checked in Europe though.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

#23

Calories in < calories burned == healthy hacker

The exact same concept applies to premature optimization, except that in case, it would be obvious that the person is a poor programmer.

When you put in context saving, say, 150 calories (500 ml whole vs. skim milk) in the diet of an obese person who stuffs 4000+ calories in his belly, and practices no sports ("walking a lot" is not included, sorry), then we're talking about mental masturbation, not meaningful, rational, strategies.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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post #8

Strongest case point for drinking whole milk (in my opinion)? It tastes a lot better.

Food habits during the growing years also contribute to the perception of taste. I had whole milk while growing up and I still prefer that. One of my friends grew up on the low-fat variety and likes it that way; he even tried whole on my recommendation and went back to low-fat because, "it didn't taste good".

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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The credibility of all nutrition recommendations/research has been shot to hell by decades of flip-flopping. Trans-fats are safe! No wait, they really aren't, so forget that they were in pervasive use for 25+ years. Don't eat cholesterol! No, forget about that. Coffee is healthy! No it's unhealthy! No healthy! Unhealthy! There's no way to trust any of this. Whatever decisions are made now I expect to read about the b…

I haven't clear why this is being downvoted.

When put into the perspective of the entire volume of nutritional research, the concepts which are established as certain are a tiny fraction of the total (for the great majority, one finds every possible opinion/research, and the opposite of it), so being skeptical is perfectly reasonable.

Quoting the article:

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> suggests that high-fat dairy consumption within typical dietary patterns is inversely associated with obesity risk.

Obesity risk.

> While not conclusive, the results "may provide a rationale for future research"

Not conclusive.

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Sadly, under these conditions, it's perfectly reasonable not to exclude that in 10 years, the opposite of such conclusions will be reached.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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post #7

Calories in < calories burned == healthy hacker

Or just thin hacker.

Or even dead hacker if kept up long enough.

I also like me some moderate energy reserves; it improves almost keeling over from low blood sugar when forgetting to eat or no food is available for a few hours tremendously.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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A case for not drinking any milk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk#Criticism

A doctor once told me : cow milk is for calf, look how quickly they add mass.

How much do they consume? What else do they consume?

That saying has been around for ages, but strikes me as one of those superficially smart sounding but actually kind of fundamentally misguided phrases that sometimes become popular. Unless someone is suggesting an all cows milk diet, I suppose.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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The credibility of all nutrition recommendations/research has been shot to hell by decades of flip-flopping. Trans-fats are safe! No wait, they really aren't, so forget that they were in pervasive use for 25+ years. Don't eat cholesterol! No, forget about that. Coffee is healthy! No it's unhealthy! No healthy! Unhealthy! There's no way to trust any of this. Whatever decisions are made now I expect to read about the b…

Agreed. The most glaring example of this was the low-fat guidance given during the 80's and 90's in the US. Sugar and high glycemic index carbohydrates were hardly discussed.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

#29

Calories in < calories burned == healthy hacker

Except it's not quite that simple.

First of all, quality matters. You could satisfy your entire calorie requirement with lard, but that would be extremely detrimental to your health.

Also, how our bodies process food is still not well-understood in detail (although there are tons of self-titled experts claiming otherwise). In other words, excess calories == weight gain and insufficient calories == weight loss don't work out just as nicely as you'd think (I think there was an article on HN recently that even pointed out different people have different "default weights" they would find very difficult to stray from in either direction).

Additionally simply not eating that much can be very difficult. Not everyone has the time, energy and money to ensure they eat healthy (and the right things eat the right times of the day) -- although of course for energy this can be somewhat of a catch-22 (bad eating habits lead to lack of energy leading to bad eating habits). And there's also the problem of satiation and rabbit starvation: it's hard to stick with a diet if your body signals you that you're starving and must eat.

As a rule of thumbs, sure, just eat less calories if you're overweight. But good luck sticking with that if you don't have the time, energy and money to experiment with how you can make that sustainable. Otherwise the "yo-yo effect" wouldn't be such a widespread and widely-known problem.

Re: The case for drinking whole milk

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> All milk sold (legally) in the US is processed, because it must undergo pasteurization

So it's a choice between "processed milk" and "slightly more processed milk". I suggest making your decision based on calories instead of the amount of processing. Whole milk has almost twice the amount calories compared to skim milk.

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