Isn't Harvard allowed to do this as a private institution? What's the education department going to do about it?
Harvard is subsidized by the govt (in the form of low interest loans to students) and via grant money for research.
Harvard Accused of Bias Against Asian-Americans
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Re: Harvard Accused of Bias Against Asian-Americans
#12The complaint argues that elite schools “that use race-neutral admissions” have far higher Asian-American enrollment than Harvard. At California Institute of Technology, for instance, about 40% of undergraduates are Asian-American, about twice that at Harvard. Interestingly, Ron Unz did a lengthy expose on this issue in 2012, and arrived at similar conclusions: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth…
It's partly location. Asian-Americans are more heavily concentrated on the West Coast (hence Caltech and UC's high Asian admissions). Jews are more heavily concentrated on the East Coast (hence Harvard, Yale and Columbia's high Jewish admissions).
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#13Isn't Harvard allowed to do this as a private institution? What's the education department going to do about it?
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#14Yeesh. The basis of their complaint seems to be rooted in test score (and possibly grade analysis) but they neglect the increased homogeneity that it represents. Asians may have a tighter distribution of metric based qualities with a mean at the higher end of the spectrum when you cut by race but it's quite possible that there are other deficits that cannot easily be highlighted through a metric based comparison alon…
Would you defend Harvard if they had a de-facto quota for Jewish applicants? This is a trick question. Harvard (and other Ivy League schools) did discriminate against Jews[1], and their justifications were quite similar to what we're hearing today. These universities switched from grades and test scores to a more "holistic" evaluation, allowing them to surreptitiously limit the number of Jewish students. The game is the same, only the names have changed.
Use all the rationalizations and euphemisms you want, but the truth is this: Ivy League schools are rejecting many of their most-qualified applicants solely because of their race[2]. These policies need to end.
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numerus_clausus#Numerus_clausus...
2. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/20...
Re: Harvard Accused of Bias Against Asian-Americans
#15The complaint argues that elite schools “that use race-neutral admissions” have far higher Asian-American enrollment than Harvard. At California Institute of Technology, for instance, about 40% of undergraduates are Asian-American, about twice that at Harvard. Interestingly, Ron Unz did a lengthy expose on this issue in 2012, and arrived at similar conclusions: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth…
Did he adjust for location?
Re: Harvard Accused of Bias Against Asian-Americans
#16The complaint argues that elite schools “that use race-neutral admissions” have far higher Asian-American enrollment than Harvard. At California Institute of Technology, for instance, about 40% of undergraduates are Asian-American, about twice that at Harvard. Interestingly, Ron Unz did a lengthy expose on this issue in 2012, and arrived at similar conclusions: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth…
It's partly location. Asian-Americans are more heavily concentrated on the West Coast (hence Caltech and UC's high Asian admissions). Jews are more heavily concentrated on the East Coast (hence Harvard, Yale and Columbia's high Jewish admissions).
Although I agree there is a strong test/race bias at Stanford and Harvard, I'd also like to see the numbers on admission, not just enrollment. Cultural background may strongly influence your choice of where to go: CalTech vs Stanford, MIT vs Harvard. Compared to Asian families, Jewish people may want an undergrad education more aligned with law and humanities than very tech schools.
Re: Harvard Accused of Bias Against Asian-Americans
#17The complaint argues that elite schools “that use race-neutral admissions” have far higher Asian-American enrollment than Harvard. At California Institute of Technology, for instance, about 40% of undergraduates are Asian-American, about twice that at Harvard. Interestingly, Ron Unz did a lengthy expose on this issue in 2012, and arrived at similar conclusions: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth…
It's partly location. Asian-Americans are more heavily concentrated on the West Coast (hence Caltech and UC's high Asian admissions). Jews are more heavily concentrated on the East Coast (hence Harvard, Yale and Columbia's high Jewish admissions).
Not really. Harvard is 20% Asian. Stanford is 22.6% Asian. (according to their respective official websites)
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#18Isn't Harvard allowed to do this as a private institution? What's the education department going to do about it?
Harvard is subsidized by the govt (in the form of low interest loans to students) and via grant money for research.
re, the first part: So you're saying that if I run some private business, and the gov't gives a loan to somebody else to buy the product I'm selling, that makes me a publicly funded business and forces me to abide by rules for businesses that are publicly funded? I don't think that makes sense.
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#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Harvard is subsidized by the govt (in the form of low interest loans to students) and via grant money for research.
re, the first part: So you're saying that if I run some private business, and the gov't gives a loan to somebody else to buy the product I'm selling, that makes me a publicly funded business and forces me to abide by rules for businesses that are publicly funded? I don't think that makes sense.
Government financing / backing / regulation of student loans is much more complex and closely bound to colleges than you are making them out to be.
Re: Harvard Accused of Bias Against Asian-Americans
#20The complaint argues that elite schools “that use race-neutral admissions” have far higher Asian-American enrollment than Harvard. At California Institute of Technology, for instance, about 40% of undergraduates are Asian-American, about twice that at Harvard. Interestingly, Ron Unz did a lengthy expose on this issue in 2012, and arrived at similar conclusions: http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth…
I'm skeptical of the Jewish statistics, which are allegedly based on Hillel documents.
Is Harvard really 25% Jewish? Or is that the fraction of domestic students who have some (possibly small) Jewish ancestry?
And what's the source that Caltech is 5.5% Jewish? Could that mean 5.5% are actually practicing?
Did Hillel actually perform a serious survey/study in these schools, or are these numbers based on some student's guess?
Admittedly, I haven't looked through his citations and supporting material, which looks pretty extensive.