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The Rise of Men Who Don’t Work, and What They Do Instead

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You have to wonder which of those trends are "secular" (in the economics sense) and which are indirect causes of high unemployment. The article already hints at this: Apart from the young cohort (until mid-20s), the rise in men going to school is probably less about an increased desire for education and more about an inability to find work. More men caring for their families may be a good thing (increasing equality b…

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post #12

Partially related to having a family becoming more risky for men. If you are not protected in case of a separation, you are less likely to want to commit to a family. If there is no family, there is less motivation to earn more.

What do you mean by "not protected in case of a separation"?

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post #8

The author doesn't even mention how many more women are in the workforce as compared to 1950. The main loss here is the exodus of manufacturing jobs. No simple way around it.

Loss of farming jobs is actually a much bigger factor than loss of manufacturing. Farm-related employment has dropped massively. In 1880, 49% of Americans worked on farms. Today, it's just 2%.

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post #14
post #12

Partially related to having a family becoming more risky for men. If you are not protected in case of a separation, you are less likely to want to commit to a family. If there is no family, there is less motivation to earn more.

What do you mean by "not protected in case of a separation"?

He's referring to the fact that men lose a significant portion (usually half, sometimes more) of their financial assets during divorce. Protection in this case refers to signing certain agreements before or during marriage.

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post #16
post #8

The author doesn't even mention how many more women are in the workforce as compared to 1950. The main loss here is the exodus of manufacturing jobs. No simple way around it.

Loss of farming jobs is actually a much bigger factor than loss of manufacturing. Farm-related employment has dropped massively. In 1880, 49% of Americans worked on farms. Today, it's just 2%.

How many of those jobs transferred from farming to manufacturing though? If all farm workers who lost jobs transferred into manufacturing then the loss is from manufacturing as the parent says.

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "not protected in case of a separation"?

He's referring to the fact that men lose a significant portion (usually half, sometimes more) of their financial assets during divorce. Protection in this case refers to signing certain agreements before or during marriage.

Also, they always lose custody of their children, one of the main points of marriage...

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post #8

The author doesn't even mention how many more women are in the workforce as compared to 1950. The main loss here is the exodus of manufacturing jobs. No simple way around it.

It would indeed be interesting to see the corresponding charts for female employment, and whether there are any correlations between the two. I'll bet there are, and further that any discussion of their possible significance would make someone deeply uncomfortable.
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