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Famous Unsolved Math Problems as Homework

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#81

Are there any unsolved math problems that aren't proving things?

Finding [Ramsey numbers](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsey%27s_theorem) is one. They are hard to calculate even for small values. Most open problems are either to prove something because we can make a good guess to what the answer should be.

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As a student in 1939, the mathematician George Dantzig once arrived late to a lecture. He mistook the unsolved problems on the blackboard for homework, and solved two of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Dantzig

> A year later, when I began to worry about a thesis topic, Neyman just shrugged and told me to wrap the two problems in a binder and he would accept them as my thesis. I love fun stories like that. And I love that it shows this guy is crazy brilliant yet humble enough to shrug off that success and just assume he had to figure out something else for his thesis. At least that's my interpretation. faithInHumanity++;

A good down to earth mathematician will always look ahead and try to solve more problems, do more math, etc. It's not surprising that he wanted to create new math despite already doing so.

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post #74

Sounds like homework I would ignore in favor of getting all of the more solvable homework finished :)

That's missing the point. The journey is often more important than the destination (i.e., learning how to explore a problem space, learning how to deal with failure, etc)

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As a student in 1939, the mathematician George Dantzig once arrived late to a lecture. He mistook the unsolved problems on the blackboard for homework, and solved two of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Dantzig

I imagine being told that a problem is unsolved changes the way you approach it. You'll assume that 'obvious' things have been tried before. Without that psychological barrier you can try out ideas that are obvious to you that might not have occurred to anyone yet. Telling someone that a problem is unsolved implies they won't be able to solve it unless they're better than all the people who've approached it before in…

Confidence is quite important in mathematics. You would usually go further if you are confident than if you are not. That said, most unsolved problems in mathematics require more knowledge to state than these simple problems.

I think for most people, not knowing a problem is unsolved will lead them to try out many more approaches than if they knew. The problem is that most of the approaches will be approaches that have already been tried before and the rest will be useless. This does nothing for the solving of the problem but greatly aids your own understanding.

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With that in mind, what do you think is the acceptable way to get students out of the answer-getting mentality?

I think what the professor did was exactly correct, have them experience something new mathematically, but give them the heads up that they weren't (likely) to be solving it, as it's a new pattern they hadn't recognized before.

I wonder how well things are likely to work if you give students explicit license to not try in an effort to keep them from feeling failure.

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I did feel like it has been a waste of time. He just mixed it in with a bunch of textbook problems. It wasn't a particularly elegant or insightful, just something technical he wanted the answer to. I don't think anyone in the class got it right, as we didn't really have the tools to make progress on it. It was a first year grad class. It was one of the only times I had a really bad professor in grad school. He was vi…

Was it Jonathan Farley?

Nope. Although I'd rather not say exactly who.

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post #17
post #6

As a student in 1939, the mathematician George Dantzig once arrived late to a lecture. He mistook the unsolved problems on the blackboard for homework, and solved two of them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Dantzig

I imagine being told that a problem is unsolved changes the way you approach it. You'll assume that 'obvious' things have been tried before. Without that psychological barrier you can try out ideas that are obvious to you that might not have occurred to anyone yet. Telling someone that a problem is unsolved implies they won't be able to solve it unless they're better than all the people who've approached it before in…

I think it's a nice story, but for the most part unsolved problems are solved by mathematicians who are aware of their difficulty.

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post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With that in mind, what do you think is the acceptable way to get students out of the answer-getting mentality?

I think what the professor did was exactly correct, have them experience something new mathematically, but give them the heads up that they weren't (likely) to be solving it, as it's a new pattern they hadn't recognized before.

Not knowing is the important part. If you know the question is unsolved, you already have an 'answer' for it: it's 'unsolved.'

Re: Famous Unsolved Math Problems as Homework

#90

Are there any unsolved math problems that aren't proving things?

This isn't a meaningful question. There isn't a distinction between what is mathematics with a proof and what is mathematics without a proof. The examples that others have given about Ramsey numbers are, in fact, a proof. The proof could consist of a gigantic computation or it could be some other deep insight. But in the end, saying the Ramsey number R(5,5) is, say, 47, is not very meaningful without a convincing argument that establishes why it's that number. And those convincing arguments are a proof.
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