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Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by ZoFreX »

bad_user wrote: post #45
wernercd wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Define "Feature Reduced"? Lack of Domain? HyperV? Remote Desktop options? What features are people "losing" with Home that 95% of "Home" users "need"? Sure... You and I can't live without half of those things, but home users generally won't notice - or care - if HyperV is missing. You pay more for Pro/Enterprise because it has added features that Power Users/Businesses need. Glass Half Empty/Full... Potato/Patato...…

Full-disk encryption is something people want even if they don't realize it. Android, iOS, OS X and Linux have encryption built in, whereas BitLocker for Windows comes with the Pro version only. Normal people also want Remote Desktop, again, even if they don't realize it. That's how I'm able to debug the problems that my parents are having, from a distance.

> Full-disk encryption is something people want even if they don't realize it.

Really? Because it has very limited security advantages, and very real performance impact on many systems. Android L came with it enabled by default and it cut performance in half on devices that weren't designed for it.

And why would Joe Public want it? This is something with so many caveats that DPR, a paranoid computer expert with quite a lot to hide, gained no protection from it whatsoever. So what are the odds a regular user will use it correctly and benefit from it?

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by ZoFreX »

jeswin wrote: post #20
cp9 wrote: post #17

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why would you take your home computer and connect it to the workplace?

You should Google up and see how common this problem really is. My example, I am a consultant. But I do have domain accounts in companies I consult. The OS that came with the machine (windows 7 home) had to be written over since it won't let me log in. The point being, it's such an artificial restriction. Most PCs are laptops, and this really restricts mobility.

I think a consultant using their machine for work purposes can fork out for Windows Pro instead of using Home edition...

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by g051051 »

blumkvist wrote: post #55
joshstrange wrote: post #48

Good lord... With all the stride MS has made and they STILL insist on releasing 1 million different versions of Windows... How stupid do you have to be to continue to do this?

Has it ever occurred to you they know better what to do then you?

Considering their abysmal track record, it's pretty clear they don't.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by cwyers »

Retric wrote: post #68
cwyers wrote: post #65

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Microsoft makes almost no money off direct-to-end-user sales. It's all either OEM money or volume sales to enterprise/government/other institutions. Microsoft is not about to upend their entire market segmenting strategy just to make things less confusing for people who are at least one step removed from any of the people who actually give them money.

As soon as Dell has a dropdown for nomal vs pro, microsoft is selling windows directly to customers. And guess what, "Inspiron Small Desktopwith Windows 7 Professional" . http://www.dell.com/us/p/desktops?~ck=mn#!facets=153558~0~87... Not that I think the average user knows if they want window 7 pro or windows 8.1 which is what most of the desktops on that page are.

> As soon as Dell has a dropdown for nomal vs pro, microsoft is selling windows directly to customers.

No, Dell is reselling Windows to the consumer.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by rdsnsca »

blumkvist wrote: post #55
joshstrange wrote: post #48

Good lord... With all the stride MS has made and they STILL insist on releasing 1 million different versions of Windows... How stupid do you have to be to continue to do this?

Has it ever occurred to you they know better what to do then you?

For one millionth of a second... that I came to my senses.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by lfowles »

0xffff2 wrote: post #35
cp9 wrote: post #17

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why would you take your home computer and connect it to the workplace?

And where do you work that this is even allowed? Maybe it's only because I work for the Federal government, but there is not a snowball's chance in hell that I would be allowed to attach my personal machine to the non-guest network in any way.

Further, would you even trust it on the guest network?

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by blumkvist »

g051051 wrote: post #83
blumkvist wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has it ever occurred to you they know better what to do then you?

Considering their abysmal track record, it's pretty clear they don't.

Their abysmal track record? Are we still talking about the biggest, most successful software company in the world, which made all of its mountains of money using exactly this pricing strategy?

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by makecheck »

Unfortunately this kind of complexity isn't just questionable marketing, it propagates to everything else. It makes seamless user experiences needlessly difficult.

For example, imagine trying to create a supporting product, or simply writing instructions on how to do something. You're trying to make sure that the user will see what they're supposed to see but with all these versions you can't assume anything so you have to consider everything. A simple list of bullets suddenly becomes a series of "if you have X, do Y" statements. Everywhere.

When products and companies become this big, a simple and arbitrary choice is all it takes to create unnecessary costs for thousands of organizations around the world.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by vetinari »

cwyers wrote: post #84
Retric wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As soon as Dell has a dropdown for nomal vs pro, microsoft is selling windows directly to customers. And guess what, "Inspiron Small Desktopwith Windows 7 Professional" . http://www.dell.com/us/p/desktops?~ck=mn#!facets=153558~0~87... Not that I think the average user knows if they want window 7 pro or windows 8.1 which is what most of the desktops on that page are.

> As soon as Dell has a dropdown for nomal vs pro, microsoft is selling windows directly to customers. No, Dell is reselling Windows to the consumer.

It does not matter who is reselling what.

What matters is that the consumer has to choose between SKUs and that choice was created by MS.

Re: Introducing Windows 10 Editions

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Post by Retric »

cwyers wrote: post #84
Retric wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As soon as Dell has a dropdown for nomal vs pro, microsoft is selling windows directly to customers. And guess what, "Inspiron Small Desktopwith Windows 7 Professional" . http://www.dell.com/us/p/desktops?~ck=mn#!facets=153558~0~87... Not that I think the average user knows if they want window 7 pro or windows 8.1 which is what most of the desktops on that page are.

> As soon as Dell has a dropdown for nomal vs pro, microsoft is selling windows directly to customers. No, Dell is reselling Windows to the consumer.

Resellers take on risks for unsold inventory; Dell does not take on risks for unsold copies of windows. They do take on those risks for other components. EX: Case screws.

PS: This does vary by sales channel. If you buy a dell from best buy they clearly already exist, but if you get a custom dell from their website they buld it after you order it.

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