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Venom – A security vulnerability in virtual floppy drive code

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Re: Venom – A security vulnerability in virtual floppy drive code

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Amazon states that AWS is not vulnerable, no details but presumably they patched before the public disclosure. https://aws.amazon.com/security/security-bulletins/XSA_Secur...

As other people mentioned, it seems more likely that they're running a Xen fork or have some other mitigation. The redhat notes state that once the host is patched, the VMs need to be shut down for it to take effect: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2015-0998.html

Re: Venom – A security vulnerability in virtual floppy drive code

#72

Code reuse is great, unless it is Qemu?

Or OpenSSL, or bash...

If there's a solution to this problem, I don't know what it is. Trying to replace an underfunded monoculture with severely underfunded diverse implementations may not even work and may actually reduce security.

Re: Venom – A security vulnerability in virtual floppy drive code

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Seriously every vulnerability will have it's own cool name and a website now? Even this? Not a single vendor has classified this as even critical. Yes like all security vulnerabilities it should be taken seriously, but when every clown out there goes all heart bleed on you for every security vulnerability they find because it's the smart marketing move today you stop taking them seriously which in the end is counter productive to this whole "raising awareness" BS they are trying to do....;

Re: Venom – A security vulnerability in virtual floppy drive code

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post #33

Given the complexity of QEMU and its pace of development, there is likely an endless supply of such bugs for punching through the QEMU emulation layer. The problem is that most of the time, the QEMU process is running in dom0, giving an attacker an opportunity to hijack the hypervisor. Xen offers a more general solution for this: running QEMU in a stub domain. The main problem with that solution right now is that Xen…

I know there are people at Xen working on getting upstream qemu working in a stub domain. Hopefully there will be some more urgency now...

Re: Venom – A security vulnerability in virtual floppy drive code

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I don't like this trend of "marketing vulnerabilities" with a cute name and a startup-looking landing page. That entire page says nothing about the actual issue, the nice looking graphic just shows how this exploit (and really any exploit like this?) can give attackers access to things outside of a VM. Duh.

Why don't you like this trend? I don't see the harm. Also, the FAQ explains a lot; including the details of how the vulnerability works.

Personally I feel that the presentation seems a bit inefficient. Lot's of extra graphics instead of putting up more important information up front.

The added design here seems a waste of effort and not really adapted to the targeted audience.

EDIT: The xen advisory gives you all the info you need in a couple of block of text: http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-133.html

Re: Venom – A security vulnerability in virtual floppy drive code

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post #15

A simpler, less breathless description from the Red Hat BZ[1] An out-of-bounds memory access flaw was found in the way QEMU's virtual Floppy Disk Controller (FDC) handled FIFO buffer access while processing certain FDC commands. A privileged guest user could use this flaw to crash the guest or, potentially, execute arbitrary code on the host with the privileges of the hosting QEMU process. If you're using RHEL, then…

> If you're using RHEL, then SELinux further confines the qemu process so although you can run arbitrary code in there (which is very bad) you cannot access any files on the host filesystem except ones which qemu has open.

So, what you're saying is you don't expect attackers who can write exploits to escape a VM to be able to write a linux privilege escalation exploit when SELinux is enabled?

Re: Venom – A security vulnerability in virtual floppy drive code

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post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it bad that large providers have an opportunity to patch before the vulnerability is released to the wild? Maybe next you'll insist that everyone's prevented from patching for a week after disclosure so that smaller companies that don't have the resources to react immediately are not unfairly left behind?

I'm not insisting anything. I'm just saying that lack of immediate and full disclosure is essentially crony capitalism where there are the Big Important Companies That Must Be Protected and then there is everybody else, including small startups and private individuals. It is fundamentally unfair, and sets up a non-level playing field. (inb4 "critical infrastructure")

I think it is even simpler than that: The big companies that have thousands of customers doing millions of dollars of business on hundreds of thousands of machines need more time to patch because their is much more money / business to be lost. Not giving large companies time to patch would do more harm than good in the end.

It is fundamentally unfair, and is perfectly reasonable.

Re: Venom – A security vulnerability in virtual floppy drive code

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post #20

I don't like this trend of "marketing vulnerabilities" with a cute name and a startup-looking landing page. That entire page says nothing about the actual issue, the nice looking graphic just shows how this exploit (and really any exploit like this?) can give attackers access to things outside of a VM. Duh.

I like it. I found the site pretty informative from a layman standpoint. I find the whole marketing of vulnerabilities pretty fun. It's like the ASCII art and MIDI in those keygen software.
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