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Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by Karunamon »

angersock wrote: post #58
Karunamon wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you foresee a negotiation with someone's core values progressing? There's a fundamental incompatibility there, not just something that can be talked and reasoned around. You personally, the guy typing the letters into this box, what do you think the outcome of such a "negotiation" would be if it were as successful as humanly possible? At the end of the day, Mozilla's entire mission statement is contrary to Eic…

"Eich's stated beliefs." Where were these beliefs stated, other than a campaign contribution?

Does donating to a thing imply anything other than support for the thing?

Does someone who donates to a presidential campaign envision any other outcome than election of the donate-ee?

Does someone who donates to a political lobbying group envision any other outcome other than fulfillment of the lobbying group's goals?

It's not like he donated to someone who just happened to have an odious belief, he donated to a group who's entire reason for existing is straight-up bigotry.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by reubenmorais »

eps wrote: post #51
cpeterso wrote: post #6

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If you disable EME (in the Firefox Preferences menu by unchecking the "Play DRM content" checkbox), Firefox will delete the Adobe CDM binary if it has been installed. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-drm

Wait a second. Doesn't EME imply a kernel component? To safeguard the encryption keys and to generally complicate an access to the raw media? If so, does it mean that this Firefox update touches the kernel?

It does not imply a kernel component. From the point of view of the browser, EME is an API to a sandboxed binary (the CDM) that decrypts video frames and sends them back to the browser, which then presents them to the user. The CDM might use kernel facilities for storing encryption keys.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by jamespo »

therealfoxy wrote: post #24
dec0dedab0de wrote: post #22

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but it looks like the users just don't want to be free. The users don't care. I have never been able to convince a layperson why DRM should matter at all to them, have you?.

Yep - when they asked why the online service that they bought DRM ridden content from closed, and now their purchases were lost (they were asking what to do/how to do it).

What service was that?

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by pXMzR2A »

superuser2 wrote: post #12
schoen wrote: post #5

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You might worry that you wouldn't notice which sites are using it. Or you might want to send a message to sites, or to Mozilla, that you think DRM is bad and that you don't want to have DRM implementations installed. One of the worst things about each browser vendor's decision to support DRM is that it makes the choice to require DRM less costly for new web sites that are considering it. So even if you think Netflix…

This end does not seem to be served by niche browsers which will be used only by the EFF-card-carrying subset of the tech community, people who are most able and least ethically inhibited from piracy anyway. This is a good reason to keep the functionality out of mainstream browsers, but it doesn't seem to work if it's just us using deliberately hobbled browsers.

> EFF-card-carrying subset of the tech community, people who are most able and least ethically inhibited from piracy anyway.

Good rhetoric. They are evil because they believe in ethics. Go for it dude, who's holding you!

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by serge2k »

enknamel wrote: post #49
bobajeff wrote: post #38

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I left Internet Explorer for Firefox because I was unsatisfied and jumped to the first viable alternative. I left Firefox for Chrome for the same reason. I'll jump to the next viable alternative as soon as it's available.

You would think that but chrome is much more insidious than other browsers. I can log in to chrome on all my devices and share bookmarks, apps, sessions, passwords, etc. That makes me a sticky chrome user because I lose all that functionality if I ever switch.

Firefox doesn't do that for you?

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by shpx »

Karunamon wrote: post #46
hoopd wrote: post #41

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Well allow me to extend thanks to you and everybody like you for damaging a very important Open Source project at a very important time. I understand it would have been difficult to sit down at the negotiation table with Eich and set an example for everybody of how to work with people you have disagreements with, but it would have been the right thing to do. Either way, you won. I hope it was worth it.

How do you foresee a negotiation with someone's core values progressing? There's a fundamental incompatibility there, not just something that can be talked and reasoned around. You personally, the guy typing the letters into this box, what do you think the outcome of such a "negotiation" would be if it were as successful as humanly possible? At the end of the day, Mozilla's entire mission statement is contrary to Eic…

> Mozilla's entire mission statement is contrary to Eich's stated beliefs

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mission/

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/

Their mission statement is to create an open internet.

To suggest that the people that made him leave cared about a culture fit at a company the didn't work at is ludicrous.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by eps »

reubenmorais wrote: post #62
eps wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait a second. Doesn't EME imply a kernel component? To safeguard the encryption keys and to generally complicate an access to the raw media? If so, does it mean that this Firefox update touches the kernel?

It does not imply a kernel component. From the point of view of the browser, EME is an API to a sandboxed binary (the CDM) that decrypts video frames and sends them back to the browser, which then presents them to the user. The CDM might use kernel facilities for storing encryption keys.

Bad wording.

Does this update add Adobe's stuff into kernel or does it not (e.g. if Adobe is just piggy-backing on Windows PMP)? Can anyone from Mozilla comment on this?

This is a principal question, because if there is an Adobe's kernel DRM driver in this update, then it makes sense to go with the "EME-free" update instead of adding and then, hopefully, removing 3rd party junk from the kernel as per that Mozilla KB linked elsewhere in this thread.

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