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Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by rcthompson »

schoen wrote: post #5
deanclatworthy wrote: post #2

I'm curious as to why anyone would want this? I guess if you consider the new DRM integration a potential attack vector it removes that possibility. But, if you're going to install this in the first place you won't be consuming DRM content - so you probably won't even be visiting the sites that have it anyway and using the feature.

You might worry that you wouldn't notice which sites are using it. Or you might want to send a message to sites, or to Mozilla, that you think DRM is bad and that you don't want to have DRM implementations installed. One of the worst things about each browser vendor's decision to support DRM is that it makes the choice to require DRM less costly for new web sites that are considering it. So even if you think Netflix…

Also, if you do visit a site that uses DRM and your browser doesn't support it, it will show up in the server logs, so just using it is sending a message.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

angersock wrote: post #19

Yeah, but at least we managed to get that hateful bigot out of the company! That's important, right? More seriously, we really do have a problem, but it looks like the users just don't want to be free.

but it looks like the users just don't want to be free.

The users don't care. I have never been able to convince a layperson why DRM should matter at all to them, have you?.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by therealfoxy »

mike-cardwell wrote: post #18

And here is the end result of people leaving Firefox for Chrome. You neutered Mozilla. There is no longer a browser vendor which has both your interests in heart and sufficient power to direct the evolution of the web. Who now gets to choose which features are built into the majority of desktop and mobile browsers? Advertising companies.

That is the attitude that enabled players like Netfucks to subvert the web into a servile sterile content consume only platform.

It may surprise, but some of us don't want DRM, don't want endless binary blobs, and frankly, will walk an extra mile instead of opting for convenience, if said convenience removes a freedom or bites us in the arse later.

Still, plenty are happy to throw freedom overboard, ooh wait, shiny on netfucks - what were was saying again?

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by therealfoxy »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #22
angersock wrote: post #19

Yeah, but at least we managed to get that hateful bigot out of the company! That's important, right? More seriously, we really do have a problem, but it looks like the users just don't want to be free.

but it looks like the users just don't want to be free. The users don't care. I have never been able to convince a layperson why DRM should matter at all to them, have you?.

Yep - when they asked why the online service that they bought DRM ridden content from closed, and now their purchases were lost (they were asking what to do/how to do it).

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by hashmymustache »

tehbeard wrote: post #20
mike-cardwell wrote: post #18

And here is the end result of people leaving Firefox for Chrome. You neutered Mozilla. There is no longer a browser vendor which has both your interests in heart and sufficient power to direct the evolution of the web. Who now gets to choose which features are built into the majority of desktop and mobile browsers? Advertising companies.

And here I am heading towards Firefox from Chrome specifically because I can't watch DRM content in Chrome anymore (need silverlight to be able to watch GoT and Comedy central)

Silverlight is needed just to add attachments to Outlook in the browser. I don't understand why there isn't a 64-bit version for chrome on mac.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by dabockster »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #22
angersock wrote: post #19

Yeah, but at least we managed to get that hateful bigot out of the company! That's important, right? More seriously, we really do have a problem, but it looks like the users just don't want to be free.

but it looks like the users just don't want to be free. The users don't care. I have never been able to convince a layperson why DRM should matter at all to them, have you?.

Right on it. Most users use the things they do because they're either easy or there is no other feasible choice. Will a user download a plugin when a browser can now "guarantee" most forms of content to play without one? I know I probably wouldn't.

Adobe just became an unwritten standard... again.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by tehbeard »

hashmymustache wrote: post #25
tehbeard wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here I am heading towards Firefox from Chrome specifically because I can't watch DRM content in Chrome anymore (need silverlight to be able to watch GoT and Comedy central)

Silverlight is needed just to add attachments to Outlook in the browser. I don't understand why there isn't a 64-bit version for chrome on mac.

...how?

How do they fuck up that badly to need silverlight for attachments?

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by dabockster »

therealfoxy wrote: post #24
dec0dedab0de wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but it looks like the users just don't want to be free. The users don't care. I have never been able to convince a layperson why DRM should matter at all to them, have you?.

Yep - when they asked why the online service that they bought DRM ridden content from closed, and now their purchases were lost (they were asking what to do/how to do it).

How many people is that, though? 10 out of the 7 billion people on Earth? That's a very small fraction.

Unless the world population suddenly decides to become digitally literate enough to understand the web in a programmer's context, these patterns of bad unwritten standards will continue out of convenience for the "soccer mom" end user.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by rr56 »

cpeterso wrote: post #6
TD-Linux wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DRM plugin is downloaded and installed automatically with the "normal" version of Firefox. So if you don't want to be downloading purposely-obfuscated proprietary Adobe binaries, you have to install this version. Also, by default, EME activates on any webpage that requests it.

If you disable EME (in the Firefox Preferences menu by unchecking the "Play DRM content" checkbox), Firefox will delete the Adobe CDM binary if it has been installed. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/enable-drm

I bet "how many people downloaded the DRM-less version" is an important statistic for Mozilla - Having FF in the middle of an automatic update, I'll be getting the other version however, and I wonder if having disabled this feature, will the browser call home to count towards it...

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by cabalamat »

tehbeard wrote: post #20
mike-cardwell wrote: post #18

And here is the end result of people leaving Firefox for Chrome. You neutered Mozilla. There is no longer a browser vendor which has both your interests in heart and sufficient power to direct the evolution of the web. Who now gets to choose which features are built into the majority of desktop and mobile browsers? Advertising companies.

And here I am heading towards Firefox from Chrome specifically because I can't watch DRM content in Chrome anymore (need silverlight to be able to watch GoT and Comedy central)

> need silverlight to be able to watch GoT

No you don't.

I've watched every episode of GoT, without having Silverlight installed (Does it even run on Linux? I've no idea).

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