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Bangladesh blogger Ananta Bijoy Das hacked to death

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Re: Bangladesh blogger Ananta Bijoy Das hacked to death

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That's a fair bit more substantial than the "death threats" that continually float about on both sides of debates like GamerGate and whatever. Very sad that this happens anywhere in the world. Surprised? Not entirely. This is the local Bangladeshi version of Charlie Hebdo...

I find your comment to be thoroughly xenophobic and unwilling to face the reality of the United States. Sure, you aren't likely to literally get attacked by Islamists with machetes in the US. But minimizing the threats of gamergate violence is completely unnecessary and unrealistic. Is it really that difficult to imagine one of the gamergate threats to be from an individual like the UC Santa Barbara shooter or the Au…

I think it's important to clarify your post with one simple fact: death threats and doxxing have occurred on both sides of the GG "debate" ("debacle" perhaps more accurate). Without that pointed out, you seem extremely biased.

I wasn't taking any sides there, just making an observation about the level of violence experienced in Bangladesh vs the US.

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I find your comment to be thoroughly xenophobic and unwilling to face the reality of the United States. Sure, you aren't likely to literally get attacked by Islamists with machetes in the US. But minimizing the threats of gamergate violence is completely unnecessary and unrealistic. Is it really that difficult to imagine one of the gamergate threats to be from an individual like the UC Santa Barbara shooter or the Au…

Place A has online death threats where people are literally hacked to death. Place B has online death threats where nobody is injured yet a lot of people get upset. Xenophobia has nothing to do with it. It's a simple observation. Now if you followed up that observation with something like "And its because everybody who isn't in Place B are degenerate lunatics and shouldn't be trusted"? Then that's xenophobia. Get you…

At what point do we know that the persistent death threats are just kids being obnoxious and no one is going to be hurt? At what point would you personally be comfortable if your inbox was being blasted with threats of violence?

And the only kind of xenophobia is the explicit, aggressive kind? So would you say the only kind of sexism is the kind where you must explicitly prohibit women from doing certain activities or holding certain roles? And the only kind of racism is the kind that existed in the American south prior to the late 60's?

Re: Bangladesh blogger Ananta Bijoy Das hacked to death

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I find your comment to be thoroughly xenophobic and unwilling to face the reality of the United States. Sure, you aren't likely to literally get attacked by Islamists with machetes in the US. But minimizing the threats of gamergate violence is completely unnecessary and unrealistic. Is it really that difficult to imagine one of the gamergate threats to be from an individual like the UC Santa Barbara shooter or the Au…

I think it's important to clarify your post with one simple fact: death threats and doxxing have occurred on both sides of the GG "debate" ("debacle" perhaps more accurate). Without that pointed out, you seem extremely biased. I wasn't taking any sides there, just making an observation about the level of violence experienced in Bangladesh vs the US.

That's fair. I actually hadn't heard of any death threats or doxxing coming from the pro-feminist side but it certainly wouldn't shock me. There's dark depths and fanaticism everywhere. But it does come off as smug and privileged to laugh off any of those threats. I can't imagine someone threatening my life and me feeling 100% comfortable that they're just doing it to intimidate me.

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Place A has online death threats where people are literally hacked to death. Place B has online death threats where nobody is injured yet a lot of people get upset. Xenophobia has nothing to do with it. It's a simple observation. Now if you followed up that observation with something like "And its because everybody who isn't in Place B are degenerate lunatics and shouldn't be trusted"? Then that's xenophobia. Get you…

At what point do we know that the persistent death threats are just kids being obnoxious and no one is going to be hurt? At what point would you personally be comfortable if your inbox was being blasted with threats of violence? And the only kind of xenophobia is the explicit, aggressive kind? So would you say the only kind of sexism is the kind where you must explicitly prohibit women from doing certain activities o…

> At what point do we know that the persistent death threats are just kids being obnoxious and no one is going to be hurt?

Well, a partial answer to that may be: you never know whether the death threats are real or not until something like what is happening in Bangladesh happens. But once bloggers actually get hacked to death, you definitely do know, for sure.

I don't think anyone would or should feel comfortable getting death threats via any medium. However, I know that I'd feel a lot less comfortable getting the same death threats in Bangladesh than in, say, Sweden, all other things being equal.

Also, please stop bringing your bias to this discussion. I understand you're passionately on the "anti-GG" side of this debate. I'm not. I really don't care for either side. I'm sure you can make your points without turning this into yet another pointless threat arguing about "SJWs vs misogynist assholes". Let's not bring this crap to HN.

Re: Bangladesh blogger Ananta Bijoy Das hacked to death

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I think it's important to clarify your post with one simple fact: death threats and doxxing have occurred on both sides of the GG "debate" ("debacle" perhaps more accurate). Without that pointed out, you seem extremely biased. I wasn't taking any sides there, just making an observation about the level of violence experienced in Bangladesh vs the US.

That's fair. I actually hadn't heard of any death threats or doxxing coming from the pro-feminist side but it certainly wouldn't shock me. There's dark depths and fanaticism everywhere. But it does come off as smug and privileged to laugh off any of those threats. I can't imagine someone threatening my life and me feeling 100% comfortable that they're just doing it to intimidate me.

Milo Yiannopoulos has been fairly public, though blasé, about receiving death threats and even syringes in the post:

https://twitter.com/nero/status/506435662481219585

https://twitter.com/nero/status/513666683916255232

I recall some others were threatened too, though I don't remember exactly. Not exactly worth spending brain cells on, tbh...

Re: Bangladesh blogger Ananta Bijoy Das hacked to death

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Religion of peace and all that...

There are nutcases (organized or otherwise) professing allegiance to all religions.

Yes, but different religions inspire different propensities towards violence in their hosts.

Remember the Broadway musical The Book of Mormon? I doubt the Mormons liked the play's content, but they responded to it positively. In some venues, they even took out ads in the playbill.

Do you think it would be possible for Trey Parker and Matt Stone to make a similar production about the Qu'ran? Even in the US, it would be a security nightmare. Venue owners, audiences, and production staff would all fear attacks.

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There are nutcases (organized or otherwise) professing allegiance to all religions.

Yes, but different religions inspire different propensities towards violence in their hosts. Remember the Broadway musical The Book of Mormon ? I doubt the Mormons liked the play's content, but they responded to it positively. In some venues, they even took out ads in the playbill. Do you think it would be possible for Trey Parker and Matt Stone to make a similar production about the Qu'ran? Even in the US, it would…

>Yes, but different religions inspire different propensities towards violence in their hosts.

It is more complex than that. There is no on one side "good religions" and on the other side "bad religions". It is rather a combination of social and economics factors (education, poverty, exposure to other cultures, frustration, feeling of injustice (real or imagined), corruption, etc)

The debate does not really interest me, but since you mentioned Mormon particularly, you are probably familiar with the following story : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre

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