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> You don't need to be rich. No, but being rich helps with illusions of immortality and going with such a scheme.
Except you're dead and all your assets now belong to your heirs or some charity you've set up. If you're revived you'll be broke.
Cryonics. A tax on people who are bad on biology.
It's not like there's much else to spend the money on, what with being dead and all.
And even if you're that selfish, you could always throw some great parties with models and champagne, or pay to have your enemies killed...
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How about you bring me the citations that show that they care about morality in such a line of work? Or do you think assuming everybody is moral in every line of business is a baseline for how the universe is and everything more cynical is some sort of extra-ordinary claim? If yes, then you'd be surprised. That's the corollary to what P. T. Barnum said, that "there's a sucker born every minute". What they do, is sell…
Could I freeze my brain now and come back in thirty years?
We don't know. The actual freezing can potentially go extremely well even with current technology, but the problem is the unfreezing process. So far there's no good way to unfreeze someone and get all their cells going again. This is why the cryonics legal trusts are all designed to be financially self-sufficient in perpetuity: it's a long shot, but if you can get somebody frozen, you can potentially keep them as a m…
Do we have any non-human examples of this process, or is it 100% hope that the "flying cars" future will have a working process and it will be sufficiently effective to resurrect a human brain?
Also, do we even have a mental model of the steps and just not the technology or are we missing the mental steps, too?
Could I freeze my brain now and come back in thirty years?
No, the procedure has never been demonstrated to work. There is no empirical evidence. These companies can not give a single instance of them resuscitating a human after undergoing these procedures. Not one. You are paying to have yourself frozen and stored, and that's it. The entire process is based on a combination of cynical opportunists, PR agents and deluded religious faithful who believe in "the procedure" with…
A kidney's a lot less complicated than the brain, and that was 10 years ago. The research has been pretty underfunded. If you'd actually like the field to progress and uncover evidence for or against the prospect of those who have been suspended up until now ever even having the slimmest chance of revival greater than that of cremation, maybe you should encourage legislation that lets them test on volunteering criminals heading for lethal injection or other end-of-life volunteers who don't want to be preserved but are happy to contribute to Science or large animals. Don't get squeamish over experiments like this: http://www.alcor.org/Library/html/bringingdixieback.html
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Except you're dead and all your assets now belong to your heirs or some charity you've set up. If you're revived you'll be broke.
It's not like you can't setup some special accounts to wait for you for that case if you're rich.
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No, the procedure has never been demonstrated to work. There is no empirical evidence. These companies can not give a single instance of them resuscitating a human after undergoing these procedures. Not one. You are paying to have yourself frozen and stored, and that's it. The entire process is based on a combination of cynical opportunists, PR agents and deluded religious faithful who believe in "the procedure" with…
If your bar for evidence is that a human revival process has been shown to work, I don't think you'll see that for quite some time. But to say there's no evidence it can work is pretty out there... 10 years ago they vitrified a rabbit kidney, then warmed it up, and successfully transplanted it. A kidney's a lot less complicated than the brain, and that was 10 years ago. The research has been pretty underfunded. If yo…
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If your bar for evidence is that a human revival process has been shown to work, I don't think you'll see that for quite some time. But to say there's no evidence it can work is pretty out there... 10 years ago they vitrified a rabbit kidney, then warmed it up, and successfully transplanted it. A kidney's a lot less complicated than the brain, and that was 10 years ago. The research has been pretty underfunded. If yo…
Fair enough. I will offer $10 million for a demonstration that this technology works and has a scientific basis, with the proof being the successful resuscitation and revivification into a whole functioning human from any human brain that is in cryogenic storage at this company. I'll even give you a generous whole year to demonstrate it, since you have stated the only problem is insufficient support and funding, well…
If somebody’s been pronounced dead and then you start CPR, you don’t want the embarrassing situation where they start to wake up again. For older people that are really far gone it’s not a concern, but sometimes life can start to come back a bit so general anesthetic takes care of that. That someone is coming back to life is considered "embarrassing", and ought to be stopped with a general anesthetic? That doesn't so…
That's exactly what I though! Holly cow......maybe I should take my name off the organ donors list. Have heard of people 'coming back to life' after being incorrectly pronounced dead (even young ones) and from memory there has been a few cases where people were buried alive, waking up in the coffin only to find out that they will come out of it alive again. If that is the common practice I think that medical practiti…
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It's not like you can't setup some special accounts to wait for you for that case if you're rich.
You can't, you're dead. Whomever you willed your estate to will lay claim to those accounts. Even if they're secret. What ever institution holding those accounts will claim them for themselves. There's no legal precedent for a person returning from the dead.
Yeah, the idea is to do it before you die. You could e.g. setup a foundation to operate after your death and have in its statue (article of incorporation?) that if you ever return you get them back.
Besides technical solutions, like using cryptocurrency or simply burrying your assets somewhere only you know about where they'd be safe. Or use this, if those announcing it got anywhere and weren't scamers:
The Reanimation Foundation will, it is said, be the "first cryonics organization to enable individuals signed up for cryonics to take their money with them. It will be able to offer this service because it will be incorporated in Liechtenstein, which has no rule against perpetuities."
>There's no legal precedent for a person returning from the dead.
How about people being declared legally dead after gone missing and then re-appearing a few decades later. There have been several such cases in the past (sometimes those people got married elsewhere and started a new life, etc).