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Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1738

For one second I thought there was a RFC for jokes.

Sadly, no. Given the up-and-down nature of the points to my response, my own joke was that someone who needed a pointer for what "joke" meant, given simply as a URL, might also need a pointer for what a URL means. With of course the contradiction that I gave it as a URL.

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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I had Windows 8 here, Windows 8.1 force-installed itself, I found no way to opt out, or even to control when to update, I was working one day and it suddenly decided to shut me out and update itself to 8.1, there was no "cancel" or "wait" button. So, MS already pulled a stunt like that recently, why they would not do it again, specially if they want people to use some shiny new tech part of their 3e strategy?

No, the upgrade to 8.1 needs to be explicitly kicked off through the Store: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/update-from-win...

This is CERTAINLY not happened to me.

Because I DIDN'T want Windows 8.1 installed, at all.

Unless you think this tutorial is useless and people invented it because they are liars too:

http://www.askvg.com/how-to-stop-automatic-forced-upgrade-fr...

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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I like to call it "consolification" as it seems apparent to me that this is where MS is heading with their OS. Not long and Xbox and Windows will be identical. And sadly, it will be the Xbox that has the dominant genes, UI wise at least. It is all over their corporate speak, too. "Life time of device" when discussing the upgrade cycle of the OS... What is the life time of my PC that I built myself out of many differe…

A: I'm not sure how much MS really cares about enthusiasts. Reading the Win 10 forums and user voice, most of them seen like idiots, with all sorts of stupid suggestions and just plain drama. Though I agree "lifetime of the device" is a bit worrying. B: I've talked the to the person responsible for MS Accounts in Windows 8. Really cool, smart guy. It was a hard thing to get right, and their intentions were not malici…

A: I personally prefer to buy retail licenses, precisely for the ability to move it around - like, I have an older license of Windows Vista that I still use (unfortunately the upgrade opportunity has come and gone). And I never pirate btw and I respect my licenses, so it has been installed on at most one PC at a time.

According to this new policy, what will happen with retail licensing? I presume that it will be either very expensive, or available only for enterprise/volume licensing, or simply not available anymore. Now that would suck.

B: while I'm sure that their intentions weren't malicious, I strongly disagree with you and with them.

First of all, encryption on Windows 8.1 standard edition is only available if your hardware supports TPM and SecureBoot on ConnectedStandby. There's absolutely no reason for this limitation. Linux's dm-crypt or ecryptfs do not need it. DiskCryptor does not need it. I smell lock-in.

Also, what is the problem with available encrypting solutions? What is wrong with remembering and inserting a password which would be required only on boot and not on waking up from stand-by?

Also, I repeat ad nauseam my biggest problem with the NSA revelations - if the NSA has the capability of installing back-doors and to coerce companies into doing whatever they want, what's stopping organized crime syndicates from doing the same thing, possibly using NSA's trails OR with their cooperation? It's only a matter of cost. Therefore, an encryption method that's saving the keys on Microsoft's servers is extremely flawed and for no good reason.

This also reminds me of OneDrive versus OneDrive for Business. Basically OneDrive for consumers does not have versioning or a fucking log of the events that happened (like both Google Drive or Dropbox do), because by their own admission, that's for businessy/enterprisish things. If for whatever reason a file disappears, a file out of tens of thousands like I have - well, you'll never know when or how. And also, synchronizing things on-disk is extremely hard because at any moment you've got multiple sources of truth that contend on the same files, with no good way to synchronize shit, which means that all clients are more or less buggy. And regular folks are non-technical and they might not know how to look at the log of events and do debugging, or to recover previous versions of a file, but non-technical folks usually have friends or access to professionals for hire ;-)

And I'm thinking that this is my biggest problem with Microsoft (but not only them) - they treat regular people as dumb fucks that have to be hand-holdem, for a monthly subscription of course (which is a totally understandable thing, since you don't own anything). And then you discover that what Microsoft's notion of personal usage does not apply to you and so for the features you need you need the Awesome edition which costs at least twice, possibly available only on volume licensing.

Now, as far as the whole desktop market is concerned, OS X has always catered to grandmas and to software developers refugees from Linux or other Unixes, Linux has always catered to die-hard backend software developers, while Windows has always catered to the people in between, the middle of the bell curve, the people that can get around their computer, but that don't know its internals, the power users. What we are seeing now is that Microsoft has totally lost the developer mind-share and the results are showing - Microsoft has lost the Internet-wide server-side and its app ecosystem only holds because of inertia, otherwise Apple's ecosystem for native apps is way more attractive.

And now Microsoft is going to lose the power users too, because according to their new directions, their user base are only the grandmas and the dumb ones that never made it to high-school. They are even ignoring the needs of the enterprise. And if that wasn't enough, on ultra portables they are also competing with iOS, Android and Chromebook. Tough times ahead for Microsoft.

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Ask yourself, what's better to have: a showstopper bug in a closed software or in a free open source software? Bugs are often easy to locate and fix, if one can reproduce it. A small donation usually helps open projects.

If I am working with a latest, super secret revision of PS4 sdk that I can't even legally talk about, how would I ask developers of Wine for help if that SDK doesn't work with their software? I can't. But Microsoft and Sony will be both legally bound to help, in certain cases they could even pay for delays if their software is at fault. I would much prefer to have a showstopper bug in closed software, thank you.

I'm pretty sure that Sony wouldn't like Microsoft to find out about their super secret PS4 sdk, as after all, they are direct competitors. So you can't seek Microsoft's help for something that happens with Sony's super secret PS4 sdk.

Or am I missing something?

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Visual studio 2010 and dotNet surely works fine under wine. But there are lots of small cornerstones in the tools and software companies use that does not work so great. If there was an real free alternative to windows where all the specialized software worked i am dead sure companies would start to use it. But at this moment there is no such alternative.

Ask yourself, what's better to have: a showstopper bug in a closed software or in a free open source software? Bugs are often easy to locate and fix, if one can reproduce it. A small donation usually helps open projects.

Of course it would be better with open source software. But what difference does it makes? There are no viable free/open alternatives to lots of commercial software out there and it will probably stay that way for the rest of our lifes.

I bet 1000sek that you are not able to setup an game development studio focusing on ps4 games with only free/open software for example.

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If I am working with a latest, super secret revision of PS4 sdk that I can't even legally talk about, how would I ask developers of Wine for help if that SDK doesn't work with their software? I can't. But Microsoft and Sony will be both legally bound to help, in certain cases they could even pay for delays if their software is at fault. I would much prefer to have a showstopper bug in closed software, thank you.

I'm pretty sure that Sony wouldn't like Microsoft to find out about their super secret PS4 sdk, as after all, they are direct competitors. So you can't seek Microsoft's help for something that happens with Sony's super secret PS4 sdk. Or am I missing something?

Why would you ask microsoft for help if it where sonys software that was failing??

Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions

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I see 2 possible scenarios. 1) as others are suggesting, they'll adopt Apple's versioning model putting everything under the windows 10 umbrella. 2) they are setting the table for a rebranding/replacement of Windows in the same fashion as they are doing with IE.

Your comment made me think that the branding of Windows 10 happened because they are in fact adopting this model and do not want to "sound worse/ lower" in version number than OS X which of course is MacOS 10.

In that regard I would love it if Apple would announce OS11 at dubdub. That would be too funny seeing MS standing there with their Win10 which they said would be the last Windows version.

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I can only imagine how OSX users cope with the giant OS updates and patches that get bundled. I thought that people here in the UK on ordinary broadband must get frustrated, but your experience puts it into perspective. It also makes me think more carefully about being "network-happy" in applications.

Those stupid Xcode updates are bigger than the OS updates, 5-6GB in size. At this point I'm thinking their infrastructure team is simply incompetent - downloads slow to a crawl, no incremental updates, and if the install fails sometimes it's back to zero.

I have noticed that about downloads and upgrades. The "system updates" app within App Store is poor. It is a webpage that fails to refresh when it's doing something, leaving you guessing when something is happening (that rotatey "progress" indication that is entirely indeterminate is no help either)

What on earth is wrong with a progress bar and text drawn on the screen instead, like Snow Leopard??

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I remember the good old days where they introduced that in XP (was it XP?) and suddenly all the fonts were blurry red/orange/black/green squishy messes that were impossible to read.

If they looked like that, then run the ClearType tuner. On most LCD panels for everyone I've showed it to, they were pretty impressed with the improved clarity. ClearType was also the subject of some stupid partner-level politics inside of MS, actual end user experience be damned.

I didn't know about that, thanks!

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I think this goes far and beyond Enterprise play or anything of that nature. There is a lot at stake here. This is a response to a bigger paradigm shift that is the web and software as a service and Mobiles. If you are on Windows XP and windows 7 rolls out, you have the option of upgrading, not upgrading or switching to a Mac (or similar). Gmail versus outlook is another good example. With Outlook you would need to s…

I think the biggest problem I have with the App Store model is that it seems to go hand in hand with planned obsolescence. Older versions of programs are no longer available for download (maybe not true for all app stores?) and older hardware gets quickly forgotten. I still use an iPhone4 and my biggest mistake was upgrading to iOS7 (I suppose I could jail break it and downgrade it but doesn't that make it more of a…

I am sure that a) now actual hardware was actually broken by upgrade to iOS7 and b) nobody forced you to install it. OTOH I also had iPhone 4 with iOS 7, no problem.
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