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The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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About 33,000 people die on America’s roads every year. There will eventually be a fatality caused by a self-driving car. I wonder how many of these we will be willing to accept. Say self-driving cars reduce fatalities by 10x. That is, by switching 100% to self-driving cars there are 3300 deaths a year, but they are all caused by self-driving cars. Would America accept that? I personally doubt we would. I think the nu…

Why not?

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #51

I want to hear the argument about people who want to drive. I enjoy driving. I like driving cars. I still drive a manual and will not buy an automatic transmission. I participate in car clubs and I compete in autocross events. I enjoy automotive photography and I do my own maintenance on my vehicles. What happens to people like me who actually enjoy driving and the act of owning a car? Do my loves get phased out beca…

Manual driven cars will not disappear, what will happen is Insurance will go through the roof as more self-driving cars are added to the roads. There will be some roads declared for self-driven cars only and some that will allow both.

Enjoy your cars now!

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #92

About 33,000 people die on America’s roads every year. There will eventually be a fatality caused by a self-driving car. I wonder how many of these we will be willing to accept. Say self-driving cars reduce fatalities by 10x. That is, by switching 100% to self-driving cars there are 3300 deaths a year, but they are all caused by self-driving cars. Would America accept that? I personally doubt we would. I think the nu…

I think the problem is, people really don't care about autonomous objects.

There is so many unknowns with this, it's really hard to know. Like if the self-driving car gets in an accident (that is a result of the self-driving car), who is responsible? Google? Me? Other driver? Car maker? Car seller? Insurance company?

Humans have kind of accepted that humans make mistakes, you're trained from day 1 to when you die, humans make mistakes. It's a bit different when it's a program with a giant state machine.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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This is why we’ve programmed our cars to pause briefly after a light turns green before proceeding into the intersection I programmed my brain to do this after learning to drive in Miami. I always look both ways before proceeding, just as I would before crossing as a pedestrian. When approaching an intersection, especially at night, I also try to look for what's coming from the side. Intersections can be scary places…

Some areas just give a "brief" period where both lights are red. I'm surprised not everywhere does, or that is isn't increased.

Well, lights are often programmed with revenue in mind, as opposed to safety.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-red-light-camera-yello...

http://time.com/3505994/red-light-camera-problems-tickets/

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Self-driving cars will still have manual controls, for all of the minutiae at the beginning and end of a trip (mostly to do with parking).

Does the Google car not do parking?

Navigating places like parking lots, drive-thrus, garages, driveways, off-road, etc., gets pretty arbitrary. There's not much a self-driving car could even do for you, so manual controls will always be necessary.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #51

I want to hear the argument about people who want to drive. I enjoy driving. I like driving cars. I still drive a manual and will not buy an automatic transmission. I participate in car clubs and I compete in autocross events. I enjoy automotive photography and I do my own maintenance on my vehicles. What happens to people like me who actually enjoy driving and the act of owning a car? Do my loves get phased out beca…

Self-driving cars will still have manual controls, for all of the minutiae at the beginning and end of a trip (mostly to do with parking).

Parking is one of the easiest and most valuable things to automate; it's finicky and humans basically suck at it. Self-driving cars may have manual controls but it probably won't be driven by parking.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #65

This is why we’ve programmed our cars to pause briefly after a light turns green before proceeding into the intersection I programmed my brain to do this after learning to drive in Miami. I always look both ways before proceeding, just as I would before crossing as a pedestrian. When approaching an intersection, especially at night, I also try to look for what's coming from the side. Intersections can be scary places…

>I programmed my brain to do this after learning to drive in Miami.

Same after living in Orlando and now New York. Just because you have the right of way doesn't mean it's safe.

The 2 ton block of metal that hits your meaty body at 45 miles per hour doesn't care that societal rules said you were safe to cross.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to hear the argument about people who want to ride. I enjoy riding. I like riding horses. I still ride a horse and will not buy an automobile. I participate in riding clubs and I compete in horse racing events. I enjoy horse photography and I do my own hoof maintenance on my steeds. What happens to people like me who actually enjoy riding and the act of owning a horse? Do my loves get phased out because the ma…

Didn't think of the horse perspective. Thanks for that. Still feels bad that some I love doing every day will be regulated to somewhere far removed from where I live and done only a few times a month at best.

I doubt it will be outlawed. You can still ride horses on public streets in most places (probably not freeways I imagine), but most people of course don't. In the same way you probably will be able to drive cars manually indefinitely, even while most will choose to use autonomous vehicles.
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